OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Stout]

Oh the typical thoughts and feelings post.

It’s this type of post that shows you have zero eye for anything.

No one was clamoring for Danny “Dimes” until a brilliant HC pulled him off the scrap heap. Let’s not pretend that DD would be any better here with Big Brain P.

What coach on our staff compares to the HC in Indy?

I didn't say we should have signed him. Right now, he would be a much better fit. As in, at this moment in time, after four games. Pretty hard to argue with.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I disagree with the premise that the Cards ruined him. That GB game clearly affected him mentally. Toss in the injury, and he hasn't been the same since.

Great then. Let's draft the next guy.

Let's watch the rookie cook with this roster and OC.

 

[Stout]

Great then. Let's draft the next guy.

Let's watch the rookie cook with this roster and OC.

Clean break. Monti ain't it, DP ain't it, and it's becoming clear that JG ain't it either. Get Mikey to hire a consultant to find a new GM because he's ass at it.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Clean break. Monti ain't it, DP ain't it, and it's becoming clear that JG ain't it either. Get Mikey to hire a consultant to find a new GM because he's ass at it.

Well then we're ****** aren't we?

I'm about to be 57, and I'm really starting to wonder if I'll make it to see the Cardinals win a championship.

My fandom has been like getting beat over the head with a baseball bat everyday for 50 years straight.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Do people not remember the year Rosen was the starter? Was one of the worst offensive teams in recent NFL history

Just because we have suffered bad qb play before Kyler does not mean we have to suffer mediocrity forever. Kyler is not the one that is going to bring this franchise to playoff level - the answer is to search and take the chance on someone who can

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Just because we have suffered bad qb play before Kyler does not mean we have to suffer mediocrity forever. Kyler is not the one that is going to bring this franchise to playoff level - the answer is to search and take the chance on someone who can

Let's draft and develop a rookie Georgia. That's the way right? Get a guy on a cost controlled contact?

You're confident we can do that, right?

Or, do you guys see someone like Daniel Jones, Mayfield, or Darnold, functioning better after moving on from **** organizations, and think that's the answer?

That Jones/Mayfield/Darnold's current production would translate perfectly into this offense?

 

[Russ Smith]

Just because we have suffered bad qb play before Kyler does not mean we have to suffer mediocrity forever. Kyler is not the one that is going to bring this franchise to playoff level - the answer is to search and take the chance on someone who can

Didn't say that just saying the this is the worst offense I've ever seen comments people are forgetting how bad that offense was.

 

[SoonerLou]

Again will the soft AZ media ask just how much time MHJ/K1 are spending together in the film room. Will the soft AZ media bring up to them how Puka/Stafford watch film together every morning on how they plan to attack defenses?

Chemistry is bad, its getting worse. And no one asks what they are doing about it. Even just physically. MHJ looks like he never works on scramble drills. What is K1 at least physically doing to correct that.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Let's draft and develop a rookie Georgia. That's the way right? Get a guy on a cost controlled contact?

You're confident we can do that, right?

Or, do you guys see someone like Daniel Jones, Mayfield, or Darnold, functioning better after moving on from **** organizations, and think that's the answer?

That Jones/Mayfield/Darnold's current production would translate perfectly into this offense?

My perfect scenario?

Bring in a new offensive coordinator (maybe McDaniel if he gets fired from Miami), draft a QB and let him learn behind a suitable veteran.

That veteran may be Murray depending on who’s available (because yes I do believe that mayfield, darnold, going to make me cringe but even Danny dimes would function better in this offense). I could suffer another season with Murray behind center if I knew it was to give a rookie QB some time to develop and Murray was on a short leash - and that would even appease the pro Murray supporters who think another coach is going to somehow “unlock” him.

Let’s pretend Murray retired from football after this season crimson- what would be your ideal QB plan in our current situation?

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Didn't say that just saying the this is the worst offense I've ever seen comments people are forgetting how bad that offense was.

Fair enough my dude - we have collectively suffered some bad bad cardinals football. Skelton? Max hall? Derek Anderson? Ugh

 

[Stout]

Well then we're ****** aren't we?

I'm about to be 57, and I'm really starting to wonder if I'll make it to see the Cardinals win a championship.

My fandom has been like getting beat over the head with a baseball bat everyday for 50 years straight.

I feel you, brother.

 

[The6]

Just because we have suffered bad qb play before Kyler does not mean we have to suffer mediocrity forever. Kyler is not the one that is going to bring this franchise to playoff level - the answer is to search and take the chance on someone who can

No, but he's a big part of it.

Football is like baseball.

No QB hard to win Games
Baseball - no pitching hard to win games

 

[SoonerLou]

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[BooksOrangePlanet]

kyler will never say so but he has to feel some type of way about mhj

 

[Crimson Warrior]

My perfect scenario?

Bring in a new offensive coordinator (maybe McDaniel if he gets fired from Miami), draft a QB and let him learn behind a suitable veteran.

That veteran may be Murray depending on who’s available (because yes I do believe that mayfield, darnold, going to make me cringe but even Danny dimes would function better in this offense). I could suffer another season with Murray behind center if I knew it was to give a rookie QB some time to develop and Murray was on a short leash - and that would even appease the pro Murray supporters who think another coach is going to somehow “unlock” him.

Let’s pretend Murray retired from football after this season crimson- what would be your ideal QB plan in our current situation?

It's a great question. Let me think about it a little bit.

 

[kerouac9]

kyler will never say so but he has to feel some type of way about mhj

I’m sure Kyler feels some type of way about all his teammates except maybe Trey. He knows it’s not his fault; his dad told him so the entire drive home.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

I’m sure Kyler feels some type of way about all his teammates except maybe Trey. He knows it’s not his fault; his dad told him so the entire drive home.

dad jokes are supposed to be funny and overly clever

 

[BritCard]

Where did I say that he was ever great at the NFL level?

I'm saying he was super talented prospect, and that we ****** up his handling from day 1 Stout. We ****** up Kyler Murray.

Josh Rosen "sucked". We moved on from him.

Now everybody's ready to move on from K1, great. Let's draft another QB.

Bring in the next guy and watch the Cardinals elevate him to success. Sound good?

I think this is revisionist.

They went out of their way to bring in a guy from the college game as HC and OC and that loved Kyler's skill set, so he could give Kyler an offense he could succeed in. They kept a college play calling scheme to make it simple for him, where every play is just a single word (like they have done with Nix in Denver), to the point where vet offensive players were coming in and saying they were finding it tough to adapt to it.

 

[BritCard]

Oh the typical thoughts and feelings post.

It’s this type of post that shows you have zero eye for anything.

No one was clamoring for Danny “Dimes” until a brilliant HC pulled him off the scrap heap. Let’s not pretend that DD would be any better here with Big Brain P.

What coach on our staff compares to the HC in Indy?

Brilliant head coach

He was a mediocre HC until he got a QB that could actually throw the ball. You're just proving his point.

 

[kerouac9]

I think this is revisionist.

They went out of their way to bring in a guy from the college game as HC and OC and that loved Kyler's skill set, so he could give Kyler an offense he could succeed in. They kept a college play calling scheme to make it simple for him, where every play is just a single word (like they have done with Nix in Denver), to the point where vet offensive players were coming in and saying they were finding it tough to adapt to it.

I don’t believe the timeline you’re proposing here, but Kyler obviously had more leash and played more free with Kliff than he is for Poopzing/Gannon.

 

[BritCard]

Clean break. Monti ain't it, DP ain't it, and it's becoming clear that JG ain't it either. Get Mikey to hire a consultant to find a new GM because he's ass at it.

Nah man. This team would be 4-0 with a better QB. Absolutely no need to clean house.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Nah man. This team would be 4-0 with a better QB. Absolutely no need to clean house.

I agree with this - Gannon deserves to have his own QB before his head rolls. Not the broken shell shocked leftovers of keim/kliff

 

[BritCard]

I agree with this - Gannon deserves to have his own QB before his head rolls. Not the broken shell shocked leftovers of keim/kliff

Yup, this whole staff was stuck with Kyler. Absolutely not fair to bin them all because of that. This is a good defense. I think the offense has much potential, we're just hamstrung at QB. They need a shot at nurturing their own.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yup, this whole staff was stuck with Kyler. Absolutely not fair to bin them all because of that. This is a good defense. I think the offense has much potential, we're just hamstrung at QB. They need a shot at nurturing their own.

Let's be honest here. They took the job knowing Kyler was the QB. Until something comes out that shows they were told they could get rid of Kyler and then Bidwill changed the agreement, they all knew what they were signing up for. They thought they could make it work with Kyler. That's on them.

You marry a chick who has been divorced before because she was unfaithful, you lose the ability to cry when she does it to you.

 

[BritCard]

Let's be honest here. They took the job knowing Kyler was the QB. Until something comes out that shows they were told they could get rid of Kyler and then Bidwill changed the agreement, they all knew what they were signing up for. They thought they could make it work with Kyler. That's on them.

You marry a chick who has been divorced before because she was unfaithful, you lose the ability to cry when she does it to you.

Of course they did, but nobody turns down an NFL HC job. There are only so many available and those chances only come around once in some coaches lives.

Plus, they only knew Kyler from outside the building and there's enough there for any coach to think they can work with that and fix the issues. Kyler was only 26 at the time, and HC is going to see that as putty to mold.


Nevertheless, he was locked in to Kyler and didn't even get to work with him in earnest until several weeks into the season. Petzing might have been telling him after a couple of weeks of practice the Kyler had serious limitations, we'll never know. We do know he's had no choice put to start him and say how great he is in public.