OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[602 Native]

Nope, everything has to be perfect for a QB to succeed, didn't you know?

How about just mediocre?

Lets stop pretending like the Cards are functional organization talent wise. Just because they play in the desert doesn't mean they have to be the desert of talent and competence.

We had drunks, miscreants, and nincompoops the entire time K1 has been here.

Can K1 play better in clutch spots you better damn well believe he can. He has played with some absolute trash for most of his career here from a talent and FO perspective.

 

[BritCard]

He hasn’t had a legit WR1 since the first 7 games of 2021, but somehow he’s out of excuses lol. The 2024 schedule was rated the most difficult one towards QB’s last year. Can we at least see how much MHJ has developed over last year before we tie all our failures to the play of the QB? And let’s see if the defensive line can perform better than a JV high school team this year before we pin all blame
again on the leader on the offensive side of the ball. And also maybe the defense this year won’t rank almost dead last in creating turnovers?? A lot of questions not related to Murray need to be resolved before MOJG legitimately considers dumping him.

Give it up dude. Lamar, Allen and Mahomes have all had average guys around them for much of their careers.

Josh Allen had Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins last year and won MVP. Mahomes had Kelce and an ever rotating core of Valdez Scantling and Hollywood Brown types. Lamar Jackson won MVP the year before with rookie Zay Flowers, Odell's Ghost, Bateman and only 10 games of Andrews.

It's not about passing yards, or Jameis Winston would have a bunch of MVPs, it's about quality of play. We all have eyes, we can all see his play is not good.

 

[602 Native]

"Iffy"???

In three years since leaving the Packers, with lousy teams each year, he has 288 catches for 3723 yards (12.9 average - above his average in GB) and 30 TDs.

Anything to put down K1 even if its absolutely untrue.

Please give me a D Adams here in the desert post packers.

I just pray to swee baby Jesus that MHJ is the real deal. God knows the other WRs on this roster aren't.

 

[602 Native]

Give it up dude. Lamar, Allen and Mahomes have all had average guys around them for much of their careers.

Josh Allen had Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins last year and won MVP. Mahomes had Kelce and an ever rotating core of Valdez Scantling and Hollywood Brown types. Lamar Jackson won MVP the year before with rookie Zay Flowers, Odell's Ghost, Bateman and only 10 games of Andrews.

It's not about passing yards, or Jameis Winston would have a bunch of MVPs, it's about quality of play. We all have eyes, we can all see his play is not good.

Absolute delusional post as usual.

 

[BritCard]

How about just mediocre?

Lets stop pretending like the Cards are functional organization talent wise. Just because they play in the desert doesn't mean they have to be the desert of talent and competence.

We had drunks, miscreants, and nincompoops the entire time K1 has been here.

Can K1 play better in clutch spots you better damn well believe he can. He has played with some absolute trash for most of his career here from a talent and FO perspective.

We had a good O line and a top 5 DVOA rushing offense last year. The defense, despite obvious flaws, finished middle of the pack in DVOA.

Kyler was 19th in DVOA in the 4th quarter/overtime and 30th in DVOA in 3rd and long.

He's just not good in the situations that decide games. Give him a two score lead and a solid defense and he can look great. Ask him to step up to get you over the line and he constantly lets us down.

 

[BritCard]

Absolute delusional post as usual.

In what way? It contained a bunch of facts. What do you think was "delusional"?

 

[WisconsinCard]

"Iffy"???

In three years since leaving the Packers, with lousy teams each year, he has 288 catches for 3723 yards (12.9 average - above his average in GB) and 30 TDs.

30 tds in 4 years but he was averaging about 10 per with green Bay l. I stand by my statement he's iffy on being better.

 

[football karma]

Give it up dude. Lamar, Allen and Mahomes have all had average guys around them for much of their careers.

if the assertion is that Kyler isnt a top 5 QB, we can pretty much all agree to that.

my view is that its much easier to find a top 15-ish WR to pair with a 8-17 ranked QB than it is to find a top 5 QB who can make an offense work with B level wide outs.

 

[602 Native]

30 tds in 4 years but he was averaging about 10 per with green Bay l. I stand by my statement he's iffy on being better.

Please please please give me a WR that gets 30tds in 4 years on this team.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

How about just mediocre?

Lets stop pretending like the Cards are functional organization talent wise. Just because they play in the desert doesn't mean they have to be the desert of talent and competence.

We had drunks, miscreants, and nincompoops the entire time K1 has been here.

Can K1 play better in clutch spots you better damn well believe he can. He has played with some absolute trash for most of his career here from a talent and FO perspective.

Two things can be true at the same time. The Cardinals can be one of the worst franchises in NFL history, AND Kyler can be a mediocre NFL QB. All evidence points to that conclusion.

 

[Stout]

How about just mediocre?

Lets stop pretending like the Cards are functional organization talent wise. Just because they play in the desert doesn't mean they have to be the desert of talent and competence.

We had drunks, miscreants, and nincompoops the entire time K1 has been here.

Can K1 play better in clutch spots you better damn well believe he can. He has played with some absolute trash for most of his career here from a talent and FO perspective.

We can just as easily say those players have had really disappointing QB play to deal with, which is inarguable.

Now who is bringing emotions and whatnot to the argument? He has proven he can't, so he can't, until he proves that he can. Simple logic.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Please please please give me a WR that gets 30tds in 4 years on this team.

I think you're missing the point. Good to great QBs elevate their WRs.

 

[daves]

30 tds in 4 years but he was averaging about 10 per with green Bay l. I stand by my statement he's iffy on being better.

Adams played for the Packers from 2014-2021. 73 TDs in 8 years (9.125 / year). 12.1 yards per catch, 70 yards per game, 51.25 first downs per season.

He's since played THREE years with the Raiders and Jets, had to switch teams mid-year, and still had 30 TDs in 3 years (10 / year). 12.9 yards per catch, 77.6 yards per game, 57.7 first downs per season.

Still standing by your statement? Adams is not only an unequivocal exception to being "crap" since he left Green Bay, he's arguably been better.

 

[BritCard]

if the assertion is that Kyler isnt a top 5 QB, we can pretty much all agree to that.

my view is that its much easier to find a top 15-ish WR to pair with a 8-17 ranked QB than it is to find a top 5 QB who can make an offense work with B level wide outs.

We literally drafted a widely touted generational WR at 4 and Kyler could barely find him unless it was 3rd down and he had to lob one in his general direction.

 

[BritCard]

Please please please give me a WR that gets 30tds in 4 years on this team.

You're complaining about the output when the issue is the input.

Kyler has a top 3 receiving TE in the league and could barely get him a TD last year.

 

[602 Native]

Two things can be true at the same time. The Cardinals can be one of the worst franchises in NFL history, AND Kyler can be a mediocre NFL QB. All evidence points to that conclusion.

Mediocre QBs don't win rookie of the year, elected to the probowl multiple times, and be talked about as an MVP.

 

[602 Native]

Adams played for the Packers from 2014-2021. 73 TDs in 8 years (9.125 / year). 12.1 yards per catch, 70 yards per game, 51.25 first downs per season.

He's since played THREE years with the Raiders and Jets, had to switch teams mid-year, and still had 30 TDs in 3 years (10 / year). 12.9 yards per catch, 77.6 yards per game, 57.7 first downs per season.

Still standing by your statement? Adams is not only an unequivocal exception to being "crap" since he left Green Bay, he's arguably been better.

Don't bother, they don't watch football of other players and its starting to become obvious.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Mediocre QBs don't win rookie of the year, elected to the probowl multiple times, and be talked about as an MVP.

now do the last 5 years

 

[602 Native]

I think you're missing the point. Good to great QBs elevate their WRs.

I think you don't know what a good WR is so I guess we are even.

 

[602 Native]

now do the last 5 years

Yes, the crap that was put on the field should be completely tied to K1.

You guys are in denial of who this team has been during that time.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Yes, the crap that was put on the field should be completely tied to K1.

You guys are in denial of who this team has been during that time.

if you won't answer we'll just go with the photographic evidence - only one winning season

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[Crimson Warrior]

if you won't answer we'll just go with the photographic evidence - only one winning season

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Now wait a minute BGT. Wins and losses are only marginally correlated to QB play.

Joe Burrow (who loves North Korea and is a big proponent of Daylight Savings Time) had an absolutely incredible year last year, but his team only won nine games, and did not make the playoffs.

The only thing that is going to stick to Murray is he sucks in the clutch (so far). That's undeniable.

But otherwise he plays pretty well on a week in, week out basis, even with **** for a WR room for the last three years. And yes that matters.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Now wait a minute BGT. Wins and losses are only marginally correlated to QB play.

Joe Burrow (who loves North Korea and is a big proponent of Daylight Savings Time) had an absolutely incredible year last year, but his team only won nine games, and did not make the playoffs.

The only thing that is going to stick to Murray is he sucks in the clutch (so far). That's undeniable.

But otherwise he plays pretty well on a week in, week out basis, even with **** for a WR room for the last three years. And yes that matters.

we're almost about in agreement on kyler but 602 is next level lol

 

[Stout]

Mediocre QBs don't win rookie of the year, elected to the probowl multiple times, and be talked about as an MVP.

You don't count lol

Here you go, trying to pretend Kyler is this generational talent again. You can't call him d.e.e.p throat because he chokes on the big one. And the little one. And the c.h.o.a.d.

Wait, we're not allowed to type c.h.o.a.d? WTF?

 

[Stout]

Yes, the crap that was put on the field should be completely tied to K1.

You guys are in denial of who this team has been during that time.

K1 is also the crap on the field that other players are tied to. Love your double standard, but it's not flying.