OT=2026 NFL draft..next Cardinal QB, Fernando Mendoza

[cardpa]

A point of contention here regarding Allar. It is well established that Franklin is a QB killer. What complicates the matter even more is who Allar's QB coach is.

Here is the resume of his QB coach.

Danny O'Brien

Coaching Career


2024-present - Penn State (Quarterbacks)
2023 - Penn State (Offensive Graduate Assistant)
2021-22 - Penn State (Offensive Analyst)
2020 - BC Lions (Running Backs)

I don't think you can expect much improvement from Allar when his QB coach is still on a learning curve. Since O'Brien became QB coach, you could see a steady decline in Allar's play over the course of 2024 into 2025.

I think an NFL team will take a chance on Allar with the idea they can correct his shortcomings, most of which are correctable, since Allar has the physical attributes and at times has shown he can play at a high level.

 

[Stout]

A point of contention here regarding Allar. It is well established that Franklin is a QB killer. What complicates the matter even more is who Allar's QB coach is.

Here is the resume of his QB coach.

Danny O'Brien

Coaching Career


2024-present - Penn State (Quarterbacks)
2023 - Penn State (Offensive Graduate Assistant)
2021-22 - Penn State (Offensive Analyst)
2020 - BC Lions (Running Backs)

I don't think you can expect much improvement from Allar when his QB coach is still on a learning curve. Since O'Brien became QB coach, you could see a steady decline in Allar's play over the course of 2024 into 2025.

I think an NFL team will take a chance on Allar with the idea they can correct his shortcomings, most of which are correctable, since Allar has the physical attributes and at times has shown he can play at a high level.

Oh, Franklin is a QB killer alright. All of what you say can be reclaimed on Allar are why I wanted us to get Hackenberg (sp?). Problem is, he had already been irredeemably crushed by the QB killer. Allar also has accuracy issues. Like I said, I'd take a flyer on him in the 3rd. 1st rounder? No freaking way. 2nd rounder? Doubtful.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Breaks my heart by I have to agree.

at least you have James Franklin

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It's not the coaching with Allar. He's just not that good. He wanted badly to go to OSU but they chose Kyle McCord over him. Of course, Kyle wasn't anything great but also had Marvin Harrison join him at OSU and that turned out pretty good.

 

[SECTION 11]

Allar is just horrible.

Yeah I don’t get his hype at all. Raiola looks way better so far.

 

[TK421]

As long as he's taller than 5'8", I'm in!

Careful what you wish for, Josh Rosen is 6'4" lol

 

[Stout]

at least you have James Franklin

OSU will be a must win. Not the OSU; just OSU. Ooh, I'd love to be THE guy to rub your face in a Penn State victory over the nuts

 

[az jam]

Hard to say at this point of the college season if this will be a good or bad draft class for QBs. We are only finishing September and there are so many big games ahead plus the extended playoffs. Just hope the Cards are scouting them.

 

[oaken1]

Hard to say at this point of the college season if this will be a good or bad draft class for QBs. We are only finishing September and there are so many big games ahead plus the extended playoffs. Just hope the Cards are scouting them.

There are several guys who showed past year that they can make the pro throws and they just needed to season a bit.
Several smack talking Allar, but the kid has great talent and experience against high level competition...he just needs a legit coach. Which he has not had..
And my boy Fernando was good at CAL...and playing even better at Indiana...he has all the tools to be a pro QB...I really like Mendoza

The kid at ASU can make all the throws too...
System fit and coaching will decide who has the most success as usual. But there are guys this year that can move up

 

[BritCard]

Is Kyler Murray in a position to be successful this year oaken1?

Based on the talent around him and his OC and QB coaching?

If you'll please answer, then I'll tell you why I disagreed.

I'm tired of this excuse. Simple question.

Why is Kyler significantly worse than last year? Why is he significantly worse than the 8 games he played on return from an ACL injury?

The O line in both instances was worse than now or the same. The receiving options were worse or the same.

Last year, in the first 4 games we played the Bills, Rams, Lions and Commanders. 4 playoff teams. We were 1-3 but Kyler had a YPA of 7.6, 777 yards passing, a YPG of 195, 6/1 TD to INT ratio, a passer rating of 107 and a completion rate of 71%.

That was with rookie Marv and Zay Jones suspended. Same scheme, same everything else.

So why is he so much worse having played two of the worst teams in the league and a severely depleted and weakened Niners team?

 

[Garthshort]

So far MO is subpar at being able to spot talent.

Zero trust in this guy.

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[Crimson Warrior]

I'm tired of this excuse. Simple question.

Why is Kyler significantly worse than last year? Why is he significantly worse than the 8 games he played on return from an ACL injury?

The O line in both instances was worse than now or the same. The receiving options were worse or the same.

Last year, in the first 4 games we played the Bills, Rams, Lions and Commanders. 4 playoff teams. We were 1-3 but Kyler had a YPA of 7.6, 777 yards passing, a YPG of 195, 6/1 TD to INT ratio, a passer rating of 107 and a completion rate of 71%.

That was with rookie Marv and Zay Jones suspended. Same scheme, same everything else.

So why is he so much worse having played two of the worst teams in the league and a severely depleted and weakened Niners team?

It's a fair question, certainly.

But the assertion that Kyler has somehow regressed as a QB over the last eight months or whatever seems unlikely.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but what would cause that to happen Britcard? He hasn't declined physically. It's not like he turned 33 this offseason.

The only plausible theory would be that he's checked out mentally somehow. That's he's not trying or is pouting or something similar. Which, I don't believe. He wouldn't do that to his coaches and teammates.

The one thing we all agree on however, is that the running game, last year a strength, is struggling terribly this year.

And so I think the passing game struggles are partly a function of opposing defenses playing the pass, and daring us to run. I think that's at least one reason for Murray's decrease in production.

 

[BritCard]

It's a fair question, certainly.

But the assertion that Kyler has somehow regressed as a QB over the last eight months or whatever seems unlikely.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but what would cause that to happen Britcard? He hasn't declined physically. It's not like he turned 33 this offseason.

The only plausible theory would be that he's checked out mentally somehow. That's he's not trying or is pouting or something similar. Which, I don't believe. He wouldn't do that to his coaches and teammates.

The one thing we all agree on however, is that the running game, last year a strength, is struggling terribly this year.

And so I think the passing game struggles are partly a function of opposing defenses playing the pass, and daring us to run. I think that's at least one reason for Murray's decrease in production.

He's been declining for years. I'd imagine the the sudden decrease is a combination of several factors, the main one being that he's so one dimensional that the book is out on defending him.

I'm not seeing anything in defensive coverages suggesting teams are daring us to run. If anything they are stacking against the run and daring us to pass. A weak run game should see Kyler's passing increasing, not decreasing. But even if so, it's Kyler's job to know how to beat that.

But let's forget all these excuses about receivers or O line, he had worse before and performed better. He's being worse all by himself.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He's been declining for years. I'd imagine the the sudden decrease is a combination of several factors, the main one being that he's so one dimensional that the book is out on defending him.

I'm not seeing anything in defensive coverages suggesting teams are daring us to run. If anything they are stacking against the run and daring us to pass. A weak run game should see Kyler's passing increasing, not decreasing. But even if so, it's Kyler's job to know how to beat that.

But let's forget all these excuses about receivers or O line, he had worse before and performed better. He's being worse all by himself.

I guess it's possible, but watching Warner's film study makes me conclude that the passing game struggles are far, far away from being all on K1. Some? Yes. All or even the majority? No way BritCard.

Still lots of data points for 2025 remaining. Let's see how things go.

 

[BritCard]

I guess it's possible, but watching Warner's film study makes me conclude that the passing game struggles are far, far away from being all on K1. Some? Yes. All or even the majority? No way BritCard.

Still lots of data points for 2025 remaining. Let's see how things go.

The Warner film was far more damning to Kyler than anything else. I know the Kyler Klub are taking something from it because Kurt showed a handful of selected plays where WR's (mainly Greg Dortch) or Trey Benson didn't run a route well. Most teams have this is you went through their tape play by play. No team have everyone run their routes perfectly every play.

There was heavy criticism of Kyler leaving the pocket too early or making his reads to the wrong side of the field, or poor mechanics etc etc

 

[oaken1]

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
89	122	73.0	1,208	9.9	16	1	49	197.8

Mendoza has Indiana at 5-0 with wins against Illinois and Iowa...but they have a huge matchup coming up going against the 5-0 Oregon Ducks...
Hard to argue against Mendoza as the QB of choice right now though...against the AP top 25 schools he is completing 91% of his passes.

Y'all need to jump on the bandwagon with this kid...Monti needs to find a way to make it happen.
we have yet to see Mendoza play in high pressure situations, and he will need that experience, but so far the kid does nothing but step on the field and dismantle all opponents.

 

[SECTION 11]

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
89	122	73.0	1,208	9.9	16	1	49	197.8

Mendoza has Indiana at 5-0 with wins against Illinois and Iowa...but they have a huge matchup coming up going against the 5-0 Oregon Ducks...
Hard to argue against Mendoza as the QB of choice right now though...against the AP top 25 schools he is completing 91% of his passes.

Y'all need to jump on the bandwagon with this kid...Monti needs to find a way to make it happen.
we have yet to see Mendoza play in high pressure situations, and he will need that experience, but so far the kid does nothing but step on the field and dismantle all opponents.

Hard not to root for that dude he’s on fire.

 

[slanidrac16]

It's a fair question, certainly.

But the assertion that Kyler has somehow regressed as a QB over the last eight months or whatever seems unlikely.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but what would cause that to happen Britcard? He hasn't declined physically. It's not like he turned 33 this offseason.

The only plausible theory would be that he's checked out mentally somehow. That's he's not trying or is pouting or something similar. Which, I don't believe. He wouldn't do that to his coaches and teammates.

The one thing we all agree on however, is that the running game, last year a strength, is struggling terribly this year.

And so I think the passing game struggles are partly a function of opposing defenses playing the pass, and daring us to run. I think that's at least one reason for Murray's decrease in production.

I think the opposite. They are stopping the run and daring us to pass.

 

[slanidrac16]

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
89	122	73.0	1,208	9.9	16	1	49	197.8

Mendoza has Indiana at 5-0 with wins against Illinois and Iowa...but they have a huge matchup coming up going against the 5-0 Oregon Ducks...
Hard to argue against Mendoza as the QB of choice right now though...against the AP top 25 schools he is completing 91% of his passes.

Y'all need to jump on the bandwagon with this kid...Monti needs to find a way to make it happen.
we have yet to see Mendoza play in high pressure situations, and he will need that experience, but so far the kid does nothing but step on the field and dismantle all opponents.

If he is that highly rated we will have no chance of getting him unless this season REALLY turns disastrous.You KNOW we aren’t giving away picks to move up.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I think the opposite. They are stopping the run and daring us to pass.

Well than why didn't teams do that last year slanidrac16?

Why didn't teams sell out to stop our run game in 2024?

 

[oaken1]

If he is that highly rated we will have no chance of getting him unless this season REALLY turns disastrous.You KNOW we aren’t giving away picks to move up.

Im kinda hoping he slips under the radar...even with getting Heisman talk, he isnt considered a top QB in this draft by many...I really dont understand why.
He is a prototype...and he was initially committed to Yale before he changed his mind and went to CAL...you dont get a scholarship offer to Yale without some top notch intellect..so smarrts aint an issue...
maybe its just that Indiana isnt respected as a football school?...I dont know...I kinda liken it to Peyton Manning going to Tennessee...they werent much before he got there..still aint really.
I think this kid has a bright future..and I got a feeling he might be on the board around pick ten...so we wouldnt have to trade the farm to move up.

 

[slanidrac16]

Well than why didn't teams do that last year slanidrac16?

Why didn't teams sell out to stop our run game in 2024?

This sounds like a bit of a cop out but I think losing Ol Coach Adams has really hurt us. Our running game does not have the same scheme. Much less pulling guards and traps.
Maybe somebody here can confirm this.
Be that as it may defenses do not fear Murray’s passing ability. They concentrate on keeping him in the pocket and concede 5 yard passes.

 

[ajcardfan]

Im kinda hoping he slips under the radar...even with getting Heisman talk, he isnt considered a top QB in this draft by many...I really dont understand why.
He is a prototype...and he was initially committed to Yale before he changed his mind and went to CAL...you dont get a scholarship offer to Yale without some top notch intellect..so smarrts aint an issue...
maybe its just that Indiana isnt respected as a football school?...I dont know...I kinda liken it to Peyton Manning going to Tennessee...they werent much before he got there..still aint really.
I think this kid has a bright future..and I got a feeling he might be on the board around pick ten...so we wouldnt have to trade the farm to move up.

Cam Ward went #1, which was absurd IMO, and Anthony Richardson was drafted 4th which was even more absurd. Point being, if truly does turn out to be the top QB prospect, or even #2,(and at this point, why not? ) then he will go top 5. This league is dying to draft even average QBs.

 

[ajcardfan]

This sounds like a bit of a cop out but I think losing Ol Coach Adams has really hurt us. Our running game does not have the same scheme. Much less pulling guards and traps.
Maybe somebody here can confirm this.
Be that as it may defenses do not fear Murray’s passing ability. They concentrate on keeping him in the pocket and concede 5 yard passes.

We have also faced almost nothing but two deep pass coverage which is designed to make deep shots more difficult. So really teams are bringing pressure vs the run and pass and trying to force quick intermediate throws and we haven't figured out how to consistently beat that defense this year.

 

[slanidrac16]

We have also faced almost nothing but two deep pass coverage which is designed to make deep shots more difficult. So really teams are bringing pressure vs the run and pass and trying to force quick intermediate throws and we haven't figured out how to consistently beat that defense this year.

It would help if we could throw intermediate passes.