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Coaches got 52% of their challenges right this season. That is a massive number. Go to any industry and say that there are at least 52% of proven mistakes being made and there would be regulations, new policies, layoffs, etc. and that isn’t taking into account the mistakes that AREN’T challenged.

Officiating is hard, we can all agree on that. But how do you fix this problem? Giving the coaches more challenges isn’t going to solve anything other than give teams the means to hold the refs more accountable. Maybe that’s the only option at this point, especially since the NBA has apparently run out of ideas.
Chap - read your first paragraph. You’re equating the 52% of mistakes made by refs on challenged plays to any industry in which 52% would be made. You didn’t say “other industries in which a 52% of a small subset of their most egregious work is examined” you said 52% period. And you’d be right, if you looked at an industry and 52% of the time they were wrong it would absolutely result regs, etc. But 52% of the challenged plays being wrong isn’t 52% of all calls being wrong. I get what you were trying to say, but the analogy was clunky at best, and just wrong at worst.

And yes there are errors outside of the challenged plays. But remember, there are likely massive amounts of things done right. On literally every play there are ten men on the court moving all over the court, running into one and other, loving a ball around, etc. Every interaction, on ball and away from the ball, could be a call or a noncall. So there are likely 200 possessions between two teams on average. And in every possession there are likely anywhere from 10 - 100 things that could be called (every bump, every dribble, every step, etc). Everything that the refs don’t blow a whistle on that was appropriately a noncall is a “right” judgment call by the ref. Most of it is obvious, but that doesn’t make it any less a “correct” noncall. The point being, they aren’t off on their judgment 52% of the time. Which was the inference of your first paragraph.

As an aside - has anyone here officiated any fast moving sport? It’s tough. Really tough. I’ve tried with basketball. With kids. Not big, fast, athletic men flying all over the place. Some calls or missed calls are bad. No doubt. But we have the advantage of watching on tv and seeing replays, etc. doing it on the court is massively difficult.
 

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Chap - read your first paragraph. You’re equating the 52% of mistakes made by refs on challenged plays to any industry in which 52% would be made. You didn’t say “other industries in which a 52% of a small subset of their most egregious work is examined” you said 52% period. And you’d be right, if you looked at an industry and 52% of the time they were wrong it would absolutely result regs, etc. But 52% of the challenged plays being wrong isn’t 52% of all calls being wrong. I get what you were trying to say, but the analogy was clunky at best, and just wrong at worst.

And yes there are errors outside of the challenged plays. But remember, there are likely massive amounts of things done right. On literally every play there are ten men on the court moving all over the court, running into one and other, loving a ball around, etc. Every interaction, on ball and away from the ball, could be a call or a noncall. So there are likely 200 possessions between two teams on average. And in every possession there are likely anywhere from 10 - 100 things that could be called (every bump, every dribble, every step, etc). Everything that the refs don’t blow a whistle on that was appropriately a noncall is a “right” judgment call by the ref. Most of it is obvious, but that doesn’t make it any less a “correct” noncall. The point being, they aren’t off on their judgment 52% of the time. Which was the inference of your first paragraph.

As an aside - has anyone here officiated any fast moving sport? It’s tough. Really tough. I’ve tried with basketball. With kids. Not big, fast, athletic men flying all over the place. Some calls or missed calls are bad. No doubt. But we have the advantage of watching on tv and seeing replays, etc. doing it on the court is massively difficult.
Forget it. You obvioussiy either can't or won't understand. I've MULTIPLE times have said it's 52% of KNOWN challenges that is a huge number. If there were 1000 challenges, then 520 of them were good challenges. That means that 520 calls were wrong. What is hard to understand here?

I equated it to other industries with PROVEN mistakes. If you are a plumber and you worked on 1000 houses in a month (just an example) and 520 of them had to have another plumber come BACK out to verify the work and say "woops, that wasn't done right originally", you wouldn't think that the original plumber would be in trouble?
 

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Forget it. You obvioussiy either can't or won't understand. I've MULTIPLE times have said it's 52% of KNOWN challenges that is a huge number. If there were 1000 challenges, then 520 of them were good challenges. That means that 520 calls were wrong. What is hard to understand here?

I equated it to other industries with PROVEN mistakes. If you are a plumber and you worked on 1000 houses in a month (just an example) and 520 of them had to have another plumber come BACK out to verify the work and say "woops, that wasn't done right originally", you wouldn't think that the original plumber would be in trouble?
Your second paragraph proves my point. I don’t understand how you don’t get that your analogy is faulty at its base.
 

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That's interesting. Probably wants to ride it out with Steph.

Unless he has an itch to go back to broadcasting, I dunno what else he is going to do.

He and Curry were a perfect fit, kills me that we almost combined them here but the Warriors backed out of the deal.
 

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Yeah I'm surprised Kerr signed again I thought the way he looked at the end of that last game he was done.

I;m a bit torn he's had a great run so I can't fault him but seeing how close the window is to closed if not already I'm not sure it's the best idea to commit to a guy who clearly isn't all that sure he wants to coach. But I guess the counter is if anybody is going to get the most out of Steph, Draymond, GP2 etc it's probably Kerr because they have such history. Lots of talk Looney is going to come back too although I think he's pretty close to done, has had so many injuries.
 

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The Pacers just lost their 2026 1st-round pick for Ivica Zubac.

Los Angeles now gets the No. 5 overall pick.

A massive moment of heartbreak again for Indiana.
 

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If you trade for Anthony Davis you will get the No. 1 overall pick.
 

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The Pacers just lost their 2026 1st-round pick for Ivica Zubac.

Los Angeles now gets the No. 5 overall pick.

A massive moment of heartbreak again for Indiana.
How did this come about? Did the Pacers trade the first rounder for Zubac THIS season?!
 

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How did this come about? Did the Pacers trade the first rounder for Zubac THIS season?!

Reminds me of the one of the most nonsensical trades of all time.

Brooklyn traded a first round pick for Gerald Wallace during a season where they have no hope of making the playoffs and not only that he was going to enter free agency.

A few months later, that pick became Damian Lillard.
 

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It's probably karma since the Pacers don't really deserve the 5th pick. A freak injury holding your conference winning team back for a year (ala the SA Spurs) is the kind of stuff fate should not reward.
 

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The weighted odds of the bottom 3 teams in the standings all having a 14% chance of winning the lottery ended up biting Indiana. They were the 2nd worst team by record but that didn't matter with the anti-tanking measures.
 
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