book isn't going to beal
I also said "based on the rules" which seem to change with each expansion draft. And I wouldn't just put him on the list without discussing it with him either, I figure we owe him that much. And if the rules this time are such that leaving him exposed would likely lead to him being selected, then we don't have to put him out there. We need to be smart about this and identify who is likely to be taken and who we are willing to risk, just protecting your top 8 players isn't good enough IMO.
Having said that, I wouldn't hate the idea of losing him in this draft as long as it's what the FO wants. It would solve a lot of Apron problems for us. Every year he gives us more and more reason to worry over his hamstring/groin problems and that's not likely to get better as he approaches 30. When his 70 Million per year salary kicks in, he will go from routinely overpaid to grossly overpaid (until the other borderline stars get their raises).
I don't know if we could get a boatload of assets for Devin right now let alone once his extension kicks in. If I ran a team I wouldn't trade for Booker unless I was one shooter away from being a strong contender and had plenty of picks and some younger rotation players that weren't deemed essential. Not a lot of teams fit that description IMO.It defies logic to leave a valuable asset like Devin Booker available in an expansion draft.
A new franchise would simply select him and then trade him for a boatload of assets. The Suns could do that on their own.
Devin Booker is one of the few things right with the franchise.
That new contract makes him a less valuable asset.book isn't going to beal
I don't know if we could get a boatload of assets for Devin right now let alone once his extension kicks in. If I ran a team I wouldn't trade for Booker unless I was one shooter away from being a strong contender and had plenty of picks and some younger rotation players that weren't deemed essential. Not a lot of teams fit that description IMO.
But my point was, the rules might give us reason to include someone like Devin. I've seen expansion drafts in the past where stars were left unprotected. Granted those stars were mostly older than Booker but there are other restrictions the league could apply that might make it unlikely for an expansion club to grab high salaried players.
Regardless, for us, the key is to not give up any more value than necessary and if research suggests Devin is safe even without protecting him, then use that to protect someone else.
i think book's in phx for as long as he wants to beThat new contract makes him a less valuable asset.
The fact that you're entertaining a) a team would unprotect their franchise player, and b) an expansion team would pick up that contract, is crazy, even for Suns fans.I also said "based on the rules" which seem to change with each expansion draft. And I wouldn't just put him on the list without discussing it with him either, I figure we owe him that much. And if the rules this time are such that leaving him exposed would likely lead to him being selected, then we don't have to put him out there. We need to be smart about this and identify who is likely to be taken and who we are willing to risk, just protecting your top 8 players isn't good enough IMO.
Having said that, I wouldn't hate the idea of losing him in this draft as long as it's what the FO wants. It would solve a lot of Apron problems for us. Every year he gives us more and more reason to worry over his hamstring/groin problems and that's not likely to get better as he approaches 30. When his 70 Million per year salary kicks in, he will go from routinely overpaid to grossly overpaid (until the other borderline stars get their raises).
I don't know if we could get a boatload of assets for Devin right now let alone once his extension kicks in. If I ran a team I wouldn't trade for Booker unless I was one shooter away from being a strong contender and had plenty of picks and some younger rotation players that weren't deemed essential. Not a lot of teams fit that description IMO.
But my point was, the rules might give us reason to include someone like Devin. I've seen expansion drafts in the past where stars were left unprotected. Granted those stars were mostly older than Booker but there are other restrictions the league could apply that might make it unlikely for an expansion club to grab high salaried players.
Regardless, for us, the key is to not give up any more value than necessary and if research suggests Devin is safe even without protecting him, then use that to protect someone else.
I really can't fault Devin, he's outplayed expectations and has been all we could hope for as an Ambassador for Phoenix and the NBA. And when all is well, he probably has another 4 or 5 years where we can expect him to be a dominant player most nights. But all is not well with Booker. Since 2018 he's been plagued by lower limb injuries, particularly ankle, knee, hamstring and groin. Based on what I've seen from following the NBA I have serious concerns that these problems will surface more frequently and linger longer as DB ages.His raise is percentage based, so things will virtually be the same.
*edit - do i think he's overpaid yes, they all are. I wish stars thought with championships instead of increasing their bank account.
I don't either but at least once in the past a franchise has paid an expansion club to not draft one of their unprotecteds so it wouldn't surprise me. Plus, in the past, they've restricted expansion clubs to just 67% initially of the league salary cap which increases to 80% in the second year - which is why some teams have left high value players on the table in the past. And I think I heard that previously they were allowed to protect players by paying expansion teams to select a specific player from their roster so they can't select anyone else from it.I would hate to lose Brea, Gillespie, or Oso. But you would have to expose 2 of the three IMO...
I don’t remember anyone giving up draft picks to expansion teams. So we would have to figure out soon if the Green/Book combo works. If not, it would make sense to convert one of those players to as many draft picks as possible and then protect another— I think I would chose Brea, but that depends on how he develops.
I never thought they were on bad contracts but I never expected them to play as well as they have this season so yeah, things can change fast.There won't be an expansion draft after this year, it would be announced but likely after next season at the soonest. I imagine we'll have a bad contract to dangle out there by then.
Remember people thought that Grayson and Royce were on bad deals prior to this season. A lot can change fast.
I never thought they were on bad contracts but I never expected them to play as well as they have this season so yeah, things can change fast.
Either works I believe. I saw a lot of posters complaining about those contracts. I thought and still think those players are tradable without adding assets, we just have fewer reasons to want to move them.Bad might have been the wrong way to put it, "negative assets" would probably be more accurate given the length of their deals.
I think this is nuts also. If you want to get rid of his salary do so in a trade and get assets back. Losing boom for nothing is just flat out bonkers.I'd protect Oso over Goodwin though. I like Goodwin but our shortage of playable bigs makes Oso more valuable. I'd also seriously consider making Devin available depending on the actual rules and focus on protecting the players most likely to be lost to this draft. But it will all depend on what rules they set up for the expansion draft, it's changed often throughout the league's history.
Separate thread for expansion draft is a great idea.
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This could be interesting. Right now soccer seems to be the only true global game. If we could get tournaments set up worldwide ala soccer, it could be good. The only downfall is the NBA season is too long. Fitting 82 games around year round tournaments would be very stressful for the NBA athlete.The NBA and FIBA are moving forward in January in their joint exploration of a pan-European men’s basketball league.
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