Mr. Joshua McCown

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by AZCB34


As to the team quitting if Blake gets benched. If these guys quit because of that, then every last damn one of them should be cut from the team and blackballed from the league. As far as I am concerned, they quit yesterday with Blake at the helm.

I'd say emotions are running pretty high right now. What do you think AZ?

For some reason I just laughed my butt off when I read this. Seemed a little extreme at first glance. But maybe not.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Originally posted by red desert
I would hope that we would go after A.J. Feeley rather than Manning. I think he is better than Jake Delhomme. And look what Delhomme has done this year. I'd rather see us take Roy Williams. Add him and a veteran wide recieve and BOOM! We're explosive.

Red I totally agree. Feeley would be a PERFECT fit here!! i forgot all about him till you reminded me.

 

[pinnacle]

bill lewis on KDUS is on the Eli manning bandwagon..

FYI...

some of these callers into the station are clueless...one guy just said they should get danny white from the rattlers...danny white will not be the next head coach of the Cardinals...Skorp is probably on the list ahead of danny white

 

[pinnacle]

also..a new coach will be brought in...along with either a very high draft pick or a veteran qb...so parsons and mccown will get to battle for the 3rd spot next season - as it should be.

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by pinnacle
bill lewis on KDUS is on the Eli manning bandwagon..

FYI...

some of these callers into the station are clueless...one guy just said they should get danny white from the rattlers...danny white will not be the next head coach of the Cardinals...Skorp is probably on the list ahead of danny white

I can personaly tell you that this it true He will NEVER be a coach for the Cardinals.

 

[spanky]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
McCown sucks. He sucked in college, he sucked when we drafted him, and he sucks now. Parsons showed more in one quarter in Minnesota than McCown's shown since he's been here. That being said, THANK GOD we got to see him play, because this team needs a quarterback. Draft Manning. Quit screwing around with the most important position on the field and give the rest of this team a chance to succeed in the future.

I've crossed over and am now firmly in the draft Manning mode. But I have a question, is he really a franchise QB in the mode of say his brother?

 

[Billy Flynt]

Originally posted by pinnacle
...Skorp is probably on the list ahead of danny white

Does that mean that Mac will become moderator of the board?

 

[green machine]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
That would be a surprise since Mac was so openly glowing about him after the draft having coached him at teh Senior Bowl. But Jurecki has connections so maybe Mac was just saying that as the company line?

I'll see if I can get the clip here, I dont' know if I have the bandwith to host the entire MP3

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by green machine
I'll see if I can get the clip here, I dont' know if I have the bandwith to host the entire MP3

Sorry wasn't doubting you just hadn't heard that before. Mac even compared him to Brooks and Favre after the draft but again he may have been saying the company line at the time.

That's one of the big problems wiht the Cards we have NO idea who is really doing what.

I think Graves is changing that and hopefully that continues with the coaching staff purge.

 

[SunCityCarl]

Originally posted by phinius
Start McCown a couple of times and if he doesn't produce give Parsons a chance.

Although there is a lot more wrong with this team than the quarterback.

Phiniius, the old timer

I agree with "The Old Timer" give McCown the ball if he doesn't "get it going" give Parsons the ball! We put up 2 field goals yesterday, like it would 've been worse getting shut out?

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Shane H
Yup I do! I have seen McCown play against third and fourth stringers as well and he just sucks!

Everything I have seen from Parsons is relative. He has played with 3rd and 4th string talent but it also means his WRs and O-line are also 3rd and 4th string same with McCown.

Thats like you saying you watched a guy in college and you think hes good krang, not much difference!

Krang? thoughts?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Shane H
Krang? thoughts?

My thoughts:

Sure Parsons has looked good against 3rd/4th teams, but we haven't seen him against top line NFL talent. We have seen McCown against top line talent, and while he hasn't been good, he has improved.

Frankly, I'm to the point that I think neither will be any good, and I fully endorse drafting Eli Manning or Philip Rivers after round 1.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
My thoughts:

Sure Parsons has looked good against 3rd/4th teams, but we haven't seen him against top line NFL talent. We have seen McCown against top line talent, and while he hasn't been good, he has improved.

Frankly, I'm to the point that I think neither will be any good, and I fully endorse drafting Eli Manning or Philip Rivers after round 1.

I personally would not wna to draft a QB and deal with 3 years of growing pains. Im to the point where Im tired of waiting for this team to arrive.

Call me crazy but like another poster on here mentioned. I love AJ Feeley. I think he has everything you need in a QB and could come in here and overtake Blake and give us a very good player at the position for years to come. I also think that he could be had rather cheaply considering.

But like I said Im crazy!

 

[ajcardfan]

I hope the new coach sends Parsons to Europe this year. I'd like to see more of him playing in live game situations. Plus, having a QB over there would give me a much more legitimate excuse to watch those crazy games.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Shane H
I personally would not wna to draft a QB and deal with 3 years of growing pains. Im to the point where Im tired of waiting for this team to arrive.

But - wait - I thought you said you'd stick with them no matter what?! Just kidding - but does AJ Feely really impress you all that much - he was a caretaker last year for the Eagles and another stop-gap at best - or you have to completely build the team around him - meaning you better have a great defense - and let me tell you - there ain't greatness hiding on this team right now.

As far as the dealing with growing pains thing - I don't understand why people keep saying this. Blake is going to be the QB for the next two years - if we draft a QB then we can do what smart teams have done in the past and NOT play him immediately! Pennington was on the bench and when he first got in - BOOM - he was the man - somewhat of the same could be said for McNair - he sat for a year with the Oilers and then gradually got more time and by the time he was the starter that team never finished below 7-9. You give Blake better weapons and some actual coaching and he could be the stop-gap guy who has competitive and maybe even in the playoffs until we're ready for the next step - our Franchise QB!

I mean look at who have been two of the best teams in the last five years - The Colts and the Titans - now what do they have in common - GREAT LEADERS - QBs. - guys who define what their team is. Hell - even the Jets who did the same thing with Pennington that we could do - are immediately a threat every weekend again because of their QB! This team has never had that - it needs it badly - for once.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
But - wait - I thought you said you'd stick with them no matter what?! Just kidding - but does AJ Feely really impress you all that much - he was a caretaker last year for the Eagles and another stop-gap at best - or you have to completely build the team around him - meaning you better have a great defense - and let me tell you - there ain't greatness hiding on this team right now.

As far as the dealing with growing pains thing - I don't understand why people keep saying this. Blake is going to be the QB for the next two years - if we draft a QB then we can do what smart teams have done in the past and NOT play him immediately! Pennington was on the bench and when he first got in - BOOM - he was the man - somewhat of the same could be said for McNair - he sat for a year with the Oilers and then gradually got more time and by the time he was the starter that team never finished below 7-9. You give Blake better weapons and some actual coaching and he could be the stop-gap guy who has competitive and maybe even in the playoffs until we're ready for the next step - our Franchise QB!

I mean look at who have been two of the best teams in the last five years - The Colts and the Titans - now what do they have in common - GREAT LEADERS - QBs. - guys who define what their team is. Hell - even the Jets who did the same thing with Pennington that we could do - are immediately a threat every weekend again because of their QB! This team has never had that - it needs it badly - for once.

Great Post! And I will stick no matter what doesnt mean I dont get tired of waiting though.

I actually agree 100% that in that scenario drafting a QB could be a great idea.

Yes though I really do like Feeley that much. Big, Stong, Smart, has NFL experience! I think would thrive as a starter!

 

[SECTION 11]

I like Feeley as well, but not with our current staff.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
But - wait - I thought you said you'd stick with them no matter what?! Just kidding - but does AJ Feely really impress you all that much - he was a caretaker last year for the Eagles and another stop-gap at best - or you have to completely build the team around him - meaning you better have a great defense - and let me tell you - there ain't greatness hiding on this team right now.

As far as the dealing with growing pains thing - I don't understand why people keep saying this. Blake is going to be the QB for the next two years - if we draft a QB then we can do what smart teams have done in the past and NOT play him immediately! Pennington was on the bench and when he first got in - BOOM - he was the man - somewhat of the same could be said for McNair - he sat for a year with the Oilers and then gradually got more time and by the time he was the starter that team never finished below 7-9. You give Blake better weapons and some actual coaching and he could be the stop-gap guy who has competitive and maybe even in the playoffs until we're ready for the next step - our Franchise QB!

I mean look at who have been two of the best teams in the last five years - The Colts and the Titans - now what do they have in common - GREAT LEADERS - QBs. - guys who define what their team is. Hell - even the Jets who did the same thing with Pennington that we could do - are immediately a threat every weekend again because of their QB! This team has never had that - it needs it badly - for once.

Great post Cheesebeef. I like the idea of grabbing a QB and letting him sit year one...what I mean by that is not start. I fully endorse a guy like Manning (as an example) getting a series or two per game in order to get his feet wet. Year two there can be additional grooming OR if the coaching staff deems he is ready, he is the starter. Growing pains occur when a QB isn't ready to play and is forced to, either due to injury or coaches. Allowing a QB to get his feet wet is a great way to negate the growing pains and shorten the wait for that QB (who is getting paid the big bucks) to hit the field.

I like Rivers alot but I would not complain if the Cards took Manning but they will have to in round 1 since there is no way he will be around outside the top 10 picks...likely the top 5. In this draft question, the big issue is this:

How close are the Cards really to being a playoff team?

I think they are far away right now so now is a great time to jump into the early QB pick and hope, as Russ says it, you pick the RIGHT guy.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
I like Feeley as well, but not with our current staff.

No kidding!

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Shane H
I personally would not wna to draft a QB and deal with 3 years of growing pains. Im to the point where Im tired of waiting for this team to arrive.

Call me crazy but like another poster on here mentioned. I love AJ Feeley. I think he has everything you need in a QB and could come in here and overtake Blake and give us a very good player at the position for years to come. I also think that he could be had rather cheaply considering.

But like I said Im crazy!

Feeley's pretty good but he can't beat out Koy Detmer for #2 I kind of doubt he'd come in and overtake Blake easily.

If you get him I think you have to dump blake and basically give Feeley the job so he knows it's his, otherwise he's far less inclined to want to come here.

Plus I'm leery of guys who play well for a few games and get a nice deal out of it, often doesn't work out.

He does seem awfully poised and has a pretty good arm.

 

[JeffGollin]

Start McCown a couple of times and if he doesn't produce give Parsons a chance.
I agree, but like Shane, I like Parsons better and would like us to have a very itchy trigger finger with regard to pulling McCown. At the very very least, I'd like to see Parsons start the final game against the Vikes.

Why do I say this? Because, maybe with one exception in preseason, all I've seen from McCown is this big, talented raw, physical kid who continues to look raw and not very cagey. And I saw Parsons come in for one quarter in preseason and immediately light up the offense in a way I haven't seen since Boomer had those 2 or 3 great games here.

I used to be down on Parsons because I thought he was a 6-0 dude from Arena Football. I didn't realize he was a solid 6-4.

Regarding Danny White - That suggestion seems to crop up each with the same frequency as "How about Mike Ditka?"