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Broncos won't go back to Greeley

After 21 years, team to train at Dove Valley

By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News
March 18, 2003

The idea of the Denver Broncos moving their training camp closer to home had been brewing for three or four years.

So when it was announced Monday the Broncos were ending their 21-year relationship with Greeley, it was less shocking to the city's residents than the sudden closing of the Smiling Moose, one of the University of Northern Colorado's top hangouts that locked its doors in December.

Still, the announcement created a buzz up north. The Broncos will move training camp to their Dove Valley headquarters in Arapahoe County in July.

"It's a sad day for Greeley," said Sarah MacQuiddy, president of that city's convention and visitors bureau, which promoted the Broncos camp as a summer attraction. "Any time you lose the ability to have an economic impact in your community, that's a loss."

Diminishing returns were cited as the primary reason for the switch, with Broncos coach Mike Shanahan the driving force behind it.

Camp used to last six weeks but has been cut nearly in half. The reason: Players are arriving at camp in better condition than ever, because of increased participation in the team's off-season conditioning program. Mini-camps held twice after the draft and individual player workouts supplement those sessions.

And with a synthetic practice field to be added to the Dove Valley complex for the anticipated July 24 start of camp, few compelling reasons remained for dragging all the team's equipment and personnel elsewhere. The artificial surface will supplement Dove Valley's two grass fields and give the team additional practice space.

The team's medical, video and equipment staffs also can use their own work spaces.

"The process of going all the way up to Greeley - not that Greeley's a long way, but having to move the whole operation, it wasn't making sense anymore," Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said.

Denver will be among 10 NFL teams that hold training camp at their regular facilities. Others are Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Jacksonville, Miami, New England, the New York Jets, Tennessee and Washington. Green Bay stays home but practices at a nearby college.

"I think you're going to see a lot of clubs over the next three or four years drift in this direction," Bowlen predicted.

Several logistical issues remain.

At UNC, players lived in a dormitory and were ushered where they needed to be on golf carts. While nothing has been decided, the Broncos likely will use a local hotel to house "the vast majority . . . if not all" of the players, according to Bowlen, hopefully fostering the camaraderie of previous living arrangements at camp.

More tricky is how to continue giving fans access to the Broncos. The sight of fans lounging on the hills overlooking the practice fields was a Greeley fixture. The daily autograph lines were another. Bowlen admits there's much planning left in that area and fan contact will be scaled back.

"It's not going to be as free-flowing because we won't have that kind of space," Bowlen said. "But as far as the fans are concerned, we recognize that the fans are going to want to come out and watch practice and what goes on, and they're going to want to get autographs. And we'll accommodate them."

Denver extricated itself from its arrangement with Greeley through an exit clause in its contract. And while MacQuiddy says no economic impact study has been conducted, the Broncos certainly generated local revenue. Family vacations went through the city. Fans dined at local establishments. Sportswriters reported from the town, giving it media exposure without costing Greeley a cent.

"It definitely won't be the same," Broncos linebacker Keith Burns said. "Some fans kind of build their summer around making sure they're allowed to go to training camp. They'll have to make the adjustment just as well as the players."

At least speeding tickets incurred on the drive between Denver and camp will disappear. And Dove Valley is a safe distance from the Greeley feedlots. "Hopefully, the only thing that will be missing is the smell," Burns joked.

"It was kind of a pain," guard Dan Neil said. "You'd rather be home spending as much time with your family as possible, and you're having to uproot and go there for three or four weeks. So it'll be nice to stay home. But it was also nice to get away from the house for three or four weeks . . .

"But I'm happy we're staying here. I think it will be easier."
 

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Why would you speculate that AZ would do something similar?

I dont think so. But you never know!
 

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Cardinals training camp is a fixture of my summers. It's great to be up close and personal with the Redbirds and out of the heat of the Valley. That's why we won't change - why practice in 110 degrees vs. 85? Hell no.
 

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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
Because Denver became the 10th NFL team to make such a move and, generally, these teams like to follow trends.


Since when does Bidwill ever follow trends?

Besides I think that it is much different here. I dont see it being to enticing for players to go through a training camp down in the valley during July and August do you??

If I was betting I say it stays in Flagstaff!
 

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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
Because Denver became the 10th NFL team to make such a move and, generally, these teams like to follow trends.

Keep in mind that it is well over 100 degrees in Phoenix during Training Camp. In my opinion, we would never train during that time in the Valley. I don't think you could ever pull off two-a-days for that long of a time in Phoenix.
 
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It would be insane for the Cardinals to have Camp in Phoenix. It was 108 degrees when we went there before going up to Flagstaff where it was a much more tolerable 88- 90 degrees. I can't say that I would'nt make the trip if they moved it but it is not as attractive considering the intense heat factor :mad:
 
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Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
Keep in mind that it is well over 100 degrees in Phoenix during Training Camp.

Point taken.

What part does the altitude play in that decision as well? I've got to belive that's a positive from a conditioning stand-point.
 
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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
Point taken.

What part does the altitude play in that decision as well? I've got to belive that's a pasitive from a conditioning stand-point.

Altitude is a great tool for conditioning. You always see a few guys struggle with it at first. Simeon Rice and Nate Dwyer had trouble with the altitude.

I believe that they have an Olympic training center in Colorado Springs for that same reason.
 

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NAU is the only possible in state option for the Cardinals. UofA practices in Douglas, but it doesn't do much for them.

Can you imagine guys like Tanner and Davis having to go in that July heat? I played high school ball here, and when we did two-a-days our practices were at 6am and 6:30pm. And it was still a hot SOB.
 
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From Our old Friend Woody Paige

Broncos spitting on tradition

By Woody Paige
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Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - Horace Greeley never would have said: "Go to Dove Valley, young man."

What the Broncos are doing - unceremoniously jerking training camp out of Greeley - is blasphemy and inconsiderate and sick.

Poor old Greeley.

Nothing's sacred to the Broncos anymore. Get rid of the orange uniforms and the horse-snorting logo. Fire the team band. Tear down Mile High Stadium. And, now, abandon the significant second, summer home of the Broncos.

What's next - eliminate Thunder, the Broncos' horse? They shoot mascots, don't they? To the Broncos, tradition is deader than asphalt.

The Broncos will rue the day they turned their backs on Greeley, where the road to five Super Bowls, including two world championships, began. I miss Greeley already.

I love the smell of a slaughterhouse in the morning.

The Broncos have announced this week that the team no longer will go away annually for training camp. July and August workouts will be held at the club's headquarters in that dull dump of a development southeast of Denver and adjacent to the Arapahoe County jail.

Moving camp to Dove Valley is a birdbrained idea.

Greeley has a colorful history, a legendary patron, a good university and the meatpacking plant, and is a special sweet spot for Coloradans.

"Greeley, The All-American City," the sign proclaims. I think it was the defunct Look Magazine that did the selecting, and that was even before the Broncos' Bus came to north central Colorado in 1982. Greeley was founded as a farming coop and temperance center in 1870 - and was named for Horace Greeley, the New York newspaper editor and presidential candidate who encouraged young people to move to the Wild West.

As if things weren't tough enough for Greeleyites with the depressed economy and the problems at the plant and the parched-mouthed drought, the Broncos turned tail and ran.

Following the ritual of professional sports teams holding training camps in other locales, the original Denver Broncos of 1960 traveled a long distance to Golden, Colo., and practiced at the Colorado School of Mines. They switched to Fort Collins and the Colorado State campus from 1962-64, but returned to Golden for a couple of years.

From 1967-71 the Broncos stayed at home - their inadequate facility off Interstate 25 in Adams County. What a mistake. The Broncos won only 22 games in those five seasons. In 1972 new coach John Ralston, who had been at Stanford, took the Broncos off to Cal Poly in Pomona, Calif. And that's where they were basking in the fog and funk of northern California when I arrived in 1974.

I've attended 29 consecutive Broncos training camps, and, boy, are my arms tired.

The Broncos came back to Colorado - and Fort Collins - in 1976 and "Went East, Young Man," to Greeley six years later.

A kid quarterback showed up in Greeley in 1983, and the "Elway Watch" started. Did he eat his peas with his knife? How many nights did he drink at the Armory? Could he throw the football 80 yards the morning after? A neophyte owner named Bowlen and a young assistant named Shanahan were in camp for the first time in 1984, and three later years in the decade the Broncos were launched from Greeley to the Super Bowl.

Twice in the 1990s, thanks to training camp in Greeley, the Broncos won the Super Bowl.

Meanwhile, I'd make the drive every summer up through Commerce City, Brighton, Fort Lupton and Platteville to Great, Glorious Greeley. Along the way I'd look again at the tiny army outpost, avoid being stopped by the cop always hiding behind the gas station in LaSalle, buy a burrito at a roadside stand and figure out how high the cornstalks had grown that year.

Then I'd check out the Broncos' two daily sessions and make my prediction. "Based on careful examination and exhaustive research Thursday, it's easy to discern that the Broncos will go to the Super Bowl this year and beat the Green Bay Packers." And I always was right.

Then I'd check into a UNC dormitory. Ah, just like being back in college, only with a car this time, but 40 years older than the students.

Greeley and I had our moments early - particularly when I referred to it as "a one Dairy Queen town" with "a smell that permeates the body and can't be removed with steel wool and turpentine."

But we learned to love each other. I played miniature golf and hung out down by the train station and counted the daily train that roared past.

I took my daughter to training camp one August, and punter Luke Prestridge taught Shannon how to spit, scratch and swear.

Parents and children would stand in the baking sun outside the ropes and evaluate the ripe rookies, marvel over John Elway, become hopeful about the team's chances and wait with pen and paper and smile for an autograph and a hello. "Dad, Steve Atwater gave me a high-five."

All is lost, though.

When the Broncs work out at Pigeonville, their fans will be forsaken. No longer will hundreds of Broncophiles be allowed to surround and scrutinize their idols. Instead, the club will throw a few people a bone every day. A way and custom of life is over.

Bye, Greeley. Horace would have been proud.

But training camp won't be the same.

The Broncos have doused their old flame.
 

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Yes, I can see them changing, but not to be closer to Phoenix.

Everyone is correct, no way 2 a days happen in the Valley heat.

Each of the last few training camps were cut short because the NAU fall semester started and the school needed their dorms and dome back.

This year, the NFL doesnt' start until after laborday (Sept 4 thurs and Sept 7th Sunday).

I can see where the team wants to find a way to start camp later and train until just a week before or so. Since NAU kicks them out a few weeks earlier, they might get tired of that.

I would suggest booking a Flagstaff hotel and keep using the NAU fields and dome even during the first week of the semester.
 

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Is everyone forgetting that we are about to have an enclosed stadium hre in 3 years? Don't ya all think they could do indoor practice with the roof closed and the air conditioning going? You could still do some drills outside just limit the amount obviously. It's very possible that when the new stadium is done that the team will choose to have training camp in the valley.
 

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Originally posted by JasonKGME
Is everyone forgetting that we are about to have an enclosed stadium hre in 3 years? Don't ya all think they could do indoor practice with the roof closed and the air conditioning going? You could still do some drills outside just limit the amount obviously. It's very possible that when the new stadium is done that the team will choose to have training camp in the valley.

Especially if Glendale builds the Cards a practice facility near the stadium. In Glendale's proposal there was talk of adding a surcharge to the ticket price to cover building a new facility so the Cards won't have to pay the $650,000 rent in Tempe.
 
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Add the 49ers to the list:

49ers switch training camp site



Santa Clara, CA (Sports Network) - For the first time in six years, the San Francisco 49ers will not open up training camp at the University of Pacific in Stockton. Instead, the team announced on Thursday that it move its summer training camp to its regular-season facility in Santa Clara.

The 49ers broke a 10-year contract with Pacific due to what they thought were subpar fields, a lack of security and inadequate office space.

A $500,000 buyout might be necessary, but the 49ers may contest the clause or seek a reduced payment by claiming the school did not fulfill the terms of its contract.

The 49ers also plan on scheduling some practices at other locations since the Santa Clara site does not have seating for fans.
 
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