Michael Wilson: Players Who Could Make a Leap in 2024

[Russ Smith]

Fair enough some people are saying you can get two picks including a first rounder for Marvin Harrison Jr and also replace him with Wan’dale Robinson.

Yes and I still believe that.

 

[some dumb guy]

Why is there any discussion about possibly trading MHJ? Once JB took over QB, Marv suddenly got more targets and looks much better than before. Just because his appendix quit him doesn't mean the cards should. That's "Bidwill" thinking...trade one of your best players to get...what? A "hope I pick a better player"...come on, you guys are much smarter than this

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes and I still believe that.

Oh, I don’t think anyone is giving up 2 picks for Charmin. He looks like a dog with fleas. And to be honest, at this point, after 2 years, with zero 1000 yard seasons under his belt, I doubt we’d even get a first for him now. Maybe a 2nd but book is out on him physically and mentally, IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

Oh, I don’t think anyone is giving up 2 picks for Charmin. He looks like a dog with fleas. And to be honest, at this point, after 2 years, with zero 1000 yard seasons under his belt, I doubt we’d even get a first for him now. Maybe a 2nd but book is out on him physically and mentally, IMO.

I personally agree with you about him but I don't think the entire NFL does. You can still see people every week explaining they think what his dad said is true, that the offensive system we play is holding him back. it's much harder to say that after the last 2 games Wilson has had but they're still saying it.

My preference is to change OC's and put in an offense that can handle having more than 2 guys getting the bulk of the targets like our current offense does, but it doesn't seem to me that Gannon is going to do that.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why is there any discussion about possibly trading MHJ? Once JB took over QB, Marv suddenly got more targets and looks much better than before. Just because his appendix quit him doesn't mean the cards should. That's "Bidwill" thinking...trade one of your best players to get...what? A "hope I pick a better player"...come on, you guys are much smarter than this

Unless it was because of the appendix, which is possible, the last game he played he had 12 targets and 3 catches. Dallas' defense is horrible, judging him off that game is like judging him on the first rams game his rookie year where he destroyed their #5 and #6 CB and we all thought ok this is the kid we thought we drafted.

 

[some dumb guy]

Unless it was because of the appendix, which is possible, the last game he played he had 12 targets and 3 catches. Dallas' defense is horrible, judging him off that game is like judging him on the first rams game his rookie year where he destroyed their #5 and #6 CB and we all thought ok this is the kid we thought we drafted.

I understand your thinking. I'm just saying let's wait and see how he does when he comes back with JB throwing as much as he has been. If he doesn't start looking like a WR1, then this discussion will be valid

 

[Russ Smith]

I understand your thinking. I'm just saying let's wait and see how he does when he comes back with JB throwing as much as he has been. If he doesn't start looking like a WR1, then this discussion will be valid

Sure and we can't do anything now anyways the deadline is passed. I am just saying the last 2 games to me showed something. The idea that the low % of completions for MHJ has always been connected to the position he plays in our offense went out the window the last 2 games when playing the same position Wilson outperformed him

 

[AZ Native]

Oh, I don’t think anyone is giving up 2 picks for Charmin. He looks like a dog with fleas. And to be honest, at this point, after 2 years, with zero 1000 yard seasons under his belt, I doubt we’d even get a first for him now. Maybe a 2nd but book is out on him physically and mentally, IMO.

Funny as hell.

 

[Ronin]

Michael Wilson is opening up some eyes as Cardinals WR1

Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Michael Wilson has taken over the WR1 reins in a major way recently. And even that might be an understatement.

arizonasports.com

 

[Chopper0080]

I think this shows how QBs can impact young WRs. Something to file away for sure.

 

[BritCard]

Maybe in the open market but he’s getting the money early. 3 for $40 is a good deal if you control him for the next four.

People don't take less than the market price to go early. This is a fan myth. Especially as the money isn't early.

Jameson Williams signed an early extension, for 3 years and £83 million. He's getting $26 million a year and signed that after a single 1001 yard season after less than 400 total the previous two, and has as many yards this year as Mike.

I don't think he gets that money, but as usual y'all are nuts thinking he's getting $10m or $13m a year.

The absolute floor is $18m, and he'd be robbing himself. Especially if he has more games like the last two.

 

[football karma]

I think this shows how QBs can impact young WRs. Something to file away for sure.

i think the OC bears equal responsibility

do you force the talent into your philosophy/system

or

do you change to suit the talent

 

[BritCard]

I think this shows how QBs can impact young WRs. Something to file away for sure.

Any WR. Look at Justin Jefferson this year. He's only had 100 yards twice, and both were with Wentz.

I said this about Kirk. I've said it about Mike and Marv. Kyler has been limiting WR output for years for everyone except Nuk.

 

[kerouac9]

Any WR. Look at Justin Jefferson this year. He's only had 100 yards twice, and both were with Wentz.

I said this about Kirk. I've said it about Mike and Marv. Kyler has been limiting WR output for years for everyone except Nuk.

Probably held back Nuk also. Was more efficient on same targets and receptions in 2018 with Watson.

 

[kerouac9]

People don't take less than the market price to go early. This is a fan myth. Especially as the money isn't early.

First-round picks are different tho. If MikeWilly wants to bet on himself at $1.5 million in 2026 more power to him.

 

[DVontel]

Probably held back Nuk also. Was more efficient on same targets and receptions in 2018 with Watson.

Think the Nuk one is a bit of a reach. The best year with Kyler wasn’t a career year, but it was a standard Nuk year.

 

[DVontel]

Mike Wilson is really the only WR you can make a legitimate case that Kyler has held back severly. McBride too once they’re near the endzone

Kirk had that one career year in Duval, then never came close to that again.

Marv has had the same problems with Jacoby as with Kyler(mental lapses, drops).

 

[kerouac9]

Mike Wilson is really the only WR you can make a legitimate case that Kyler has held back severly. McBride too once they’re near the endzone

Kirk had that one career year in Duval, then never came close to that again.

Marv has had the same problems with Jacoby as with Kyler(mental lapses, drops).

We’ll never really know about the Zays Jones and Hollywoods Brown.

 

[football karma]

i find it concerning that for two and a half years this staff has had Mike W on the roster, saw him everyday in practice and decided he would have the scraps in the passing offense

Drew and company should have viewed getting Mike W matched up one on one (with Trey and Marv drawing most of the attention) with the weakest member of the defensive secondary as a giant opportunity for some plays

 

[BritCard]

Mike Wilson is really the only WR you can make a legitimate case that Kyler has held back severly. McBride too once they’re near the endzone

Kirk had that one career year in Duval, then never came close to that again.

Marv has had the same problems with Jacoby as with Kyler(mental lapses, drops).

He's never passed 4000 yards. You can safely say he's held everyone back.

Zay Jones more than quadrupled his yards with JB. As has Mike. Trey's yards are up too.

 

[DVontel]

He's never passed 4000 yards. You can safely say he's held everyone back.

Zay Jones more than quadrupled his yards with JB. As has Mike. Trey's yards are up too.

There’s a reason you named the guys I already named & had to reach for a small sample size for the 3rd one.

 

[DVontel]

AJ Brown has had career years with Jalen Hurts

Jalen Hurts also has yet to eclipsed 4000 yards in a season.

Matter of fact, Kyler has thrown for more yards in a season than Hurts ever has.

(No I’m not saying Kyler is better than Hurts. Hurts is clearly better).

Is Hurts holding AJ Brown back?

 

[AZCB34]

i find it concerning that for two and a half years this staff has had Mike W on the roster, saw him everyday in practice and decided he would have the scraps in the passing offense

Drew and company should have viewed getting Mike W matched up one on one (with Trey and Marv drawing most of the attention) with the weakest member of the defensive secondary as a giant opportunity for some plays

It sounds to me like there was possibly a route running issue with Wilson that has corrected itself with Brissett. Given the uneven play of Harrison and the story behind Wilson’s resurgence, it sounds like maybe the WR coach isn’t up to par? Also feels like Kyler made very little effort to bond and work extra with the WRs.

 

[daves]

It sounds to me like there was possibly a route running issue with Wilson that has corrected itself with Brissett. Given the uneven play of Harrison and the story behind Wilson’s resurgence, it sounds like maybe the WR coach isn’t up to par? Also feels like Kyler made very little effort to bond and work extra with the WRs.

In his press conference this week, after crediting Brissett with continually sending him film breakdowns and pointers vs. each defense, Wilson credits WR coach Drew Terrell for improving his route running and techniques. Sounded like more than just an obligatory polite nod or lip service.

The contrast between how he described Brissett's breaking down film at all hours of the day and night and working with him to get on the same page in every situation, and nobody ever saying that about Murray, is glaring.

 

[kerouac9]

Is Hurts holding AJ Brown back?

Probably? Especially the last couple years. He could maybe be in the Chase/Jefferson tier but he’s one or two down from there because of the QB and system.