Kings fans keep on crying

[az1965]

Interesting threads. Most fans seem to believe that everyone is against Kings, the NBA, the refs, the AP reporters who mentioned that the block was clean after several replays, and the world is against them. Everyone hates them. And that there will probably be suspensions, or at least fines, for the fits thrown by Webber, Miller, and Mobley's comments.

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[slinslin]

Maybe they should acknowledge that

a) Webber was in the key with the ball for more than 3 seconds and passed it.

b) Webber intentionally pushed Marion to the ground after the pass and should have been called for the loose ball foul.

 

[Dr. Dumas]

If they want something to cry about, it should be the play where B miller missed a 3 on 1 wide open layup.
These King fans have the opportunity to watch the replay of the last play over and over. I'm sure that it was a close call regarding whether or not Amare was in the circle. Are these fans also looking at how long B Miller was standing in the lane? To me, it sure seems close to three seconds.
Also, if you let a team hang around until the end, then anything can happen.

 

[WaywardFan]

I looked at some of what they're saying. Of course, it's very consistent that it was a bad call. The refs blew it.

I didn't get to see the game and I haven't seen anything on any sports shows yet. But from those who aren't Kings fans (and taking into account OUR bias), was it a good, clean block or not?

Those Kings threads talk about the 'imaginary cylinder'. Some even claim goaltending (though not as vociferiously as the former).

I just wanted to know if it is just sour grapes or if we got away with one.

Thanks.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

I looked at some of what they're saying. Of course, it's very consistent that it was a bad call. The refs blew it.

I didn't get to see the game and I haven't seen anything on any sports shows yet. But from those who aren't Kings fans (and taking into account OUR bias), was it a good, clean block or not?

Those Kings threads talk about the 'imaginary cylinder'. Some even claim goaltending (though not as vociferiously as the former).

I just wanted to know if it is just sour grapes or if we got away with one.

Thanks.

Block was clean...ball was at the top of its arc...

Mike

 

[azdad1978]

waaaaaaaa. NBA is out to get us. waaaaaaa. Grow up Kings fans.

 

[Wally]

Block was clean...ball was at the top of its arc...

Mike

The complaint was the ball was over the cylinder..... which is hard to see in replay I saw. If it was over the cylinder, it was GT. If I were a King's fan, I'd be upset too if none of my team made the All-star selections and then got "shafted" by a no call at the end of regulation..... BUT I'm not...
GO SUNS

 

[Mike Olbinski]

The complaint was the ball was over the cylinder..... which is hard to see in replay I saw. If it was over the cylinder, it was GT. If I were a King's fan, I'd be upset too if none of my team made the All-star selections and then got "shafted" by a no call at the end of regulation..... BUT I'm not...
GO SUNS

Well, if that's the rule, then I guess they have a complaint....but most people after the game said it was clean...I dunno.

I would think if it's on it's way up still, it doesn't matter where it is.

Mike

 

[JPlay]

We should be complaining about Webbers push in the back on Amare. That was one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen. I have a whole new outlook of Chris Webber.

 

[Chaplin]

If the ball was over the cylinder, how could Amare block it without coming up through the net? I mean, physically, considering he was moving forward, how would he get his hand behind the ball if it was hindered by the fact that the metal from the hoop is right there?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

waaaaaaaa. NBA is out to get us. waaaaaaa. Grow up Kings fans.

Blaming the league...blaming the refs...

I thought that Suns' fans had exclusive rights to that line of thinking...

 

[elindholm]

I have the game on TiVo, where the picture is a lot sharper than what you get on cruddy internet clips. I just watched it again, frame by frame. In another thread, I just posted that it wasn't close -- well, that's wrong. It was close. The ball was close to its peak and close to the cylinder. I personally think it was not goaltending, but goaltending is called in a lot of situations where it shouldn't be, and this could easily have been another one of those cases. The call could have gone either way, but it's not fair to say that the officials "blew" it.

 

[Chaplin]

I have the game on TiVo, where the picture is a lot sharper than what you get on cruddy internet clips. I just watched it again, frame by frame. In another thread, I just posted that it wasn't close -- well, that's wrong. It was close. The ball was close to its peak and close to the cylinder. I personally think it was not goaltending, but goaltending is called in a lot of situations where it shouldn't be, and this could easily have been another one of those cases. The call could have gone either way, but it's not fair to say that the officials "blew" it.

The NBA.com clip actually shows the replays that NBA TV ran. Personally, I'm pretty sure that the ball wasn't coming down, the question was whether it was "over the cylinder", and by how much.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I haven't seen it since last night, but after all the replays I think it was a goaltending. However, like Joe said it was sooooooo close that there is no way they can call it.

 

[Azlen]

It was borderline. It wouldn't have been a terrible call if it went either way. I think what tilted it in the Suns favor was the speed that Amare showed in seemingly coming out of nowhere to block the shot. Refs have a tendency to let the highlight reel plays go.

 

[Cheesebeef]

wayward - it was really too close to call. And for all those who bitch and moan about the refs constantly here - I really hope after GETTING a call that could go either way - ESPECIALLY ON THE ROAD - some of those people will shut their traps so OUR board doesn't sound like that pathetiuc Kings board after every loss.

You're gonna get calls and calls are gonna go against you in this league and to constantly bitch about them makes me sick.

 

[George O'Brien]

At worst the block was a call that could have gone either way. Due to the nature of the shot, I am sure it wasn't over the cylinder because it didn't have enough arc. Miller tried to push it over the rim softly following his blown layup a few minutes earlier. It was a bad decision, but he did not see Amare coming.

It is easier for the Kings to blame the refs than the fact that they scored only 4 points in the last two and a half minutes. In crunch time, it was the Suns that played like veterans.

The Kings real displaced anger was toward themselves. They set out to make a statement and show up the upstarts. Instead, insspite of playing as well as they could, the Kings still lost to the Suns (the Kings hit 12 of 20 three pointers).

The Kings had a lot at stake. They fell six games back of the Suns and now go on the road for 10 of their next 12 games starting with Seattle on Thursday. Their chances of catching the Suns diminsihed subtantially last night.

 

[fordronken]

We would have won in overtime, anyway.

 

[zett]

It was definitly not goaltending, The ball was clearly still on it's way up when the block occured, The Kings announcer was crying that as soon as he released the ball it should of been goaltending if he was throwing it down I would agree,but that was not the case. At the first view of live action I couldn't tell because I wasn't expecting Amare to be there, but after every replay it was a good call!

 

[mribnik]

The ball was clearly on it's way up, so like others said, the only issue is whether or not the ball was in the cylinder. It is my impression that the ball just needs to be in the cylinder a tiny bit in order to be goaltending correct? Well, clearly the full ball wasn't in the cylinder or Amare's arm would have been too. I don't have a clear replay either, but it was so close that you can't tell either way.

There isn't a perpendicular camera angle available (at the height of the balll perpendicular to the sideline looking straight at the ball) so there is no way to judge because it was so close.

This play perfectly describes a common problem that occurs in the NFL replay system. The play was called a block, so even upon review there wouldn't be enough evidence to prove it was goaltending so the play would stand. If the play was called goaltending, there wouldn't be enough proof to prove it wasn't in the cylinder, and the play would stand as well.

 

[BC867]

defensive

Miller tried to push it over the rim softly following his blown layup a few minutes earlier. It was a bad decision, but he did not see Amare coming.

That's a great point. Miller's lackadaisical handling of the layup forced him to alter his own shot at the buzzer.

When you have to go Plan B, and put your own strengths aside, bad things are going to happen. He brought it on himself.

It sure was great to see Amare's superstardom development include a defensive play at the buzzer. Y'think that's why Charles Barkley never got the big prize?

 

[az1965]

The ball was clearly on it's way up, so like others said, the only issue is whether or not the ball was in the cylinder. It is my impression that the ball just needs to be in the cylinder a tiny bit in order to be goaltending correct? Well, clearly the full ball wasn't in the cylinder or Amare's arm would have been too. I don't have a clear replay either, but it was so close that you can't tell either way.

There isn't a perpendicular camera angle available (at the height of the balll perpendicular to the sideline looking straight at the ball) so there is no way to judge because it was so close.

This play perfectly describes a common problem that occurs in the NFL replay system. The play was called a block, so even upon review there wouldn't be enough evidence to prove it was goaltending so the play would stand. If the play was called goaltending, there wouldn't be enough proof to prove it wasn't in the cylinder, and the play would stand as well.

You are right. I saw the replay several times and definitely the ball was on the rise or was at the top of the arc but definitely did not start the downard arc. However, the angle in the video clip will not let any conclusive decision whether the ball was in the imaginery cylinder or not.