Josh McCown Is The Answer

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Yes - for one reason and one reason alone am I truly optimistic about the Cards, not only for this year but for years to come - I think we FINALLY have our long term answer at QB. I know I was one of those ranting and raving about not passing up on one of those franchise QB's in the draft and how it could be a decision we regret for the rest of eternity, but I have seen the light and it's emanating from the bright blonde hair on lopped on top of even more blinding white skin (if he had red eyes, I would swear Josh was an albino). The kid can sling it, can take off with his wheels and seems to finally have something that this team has lacked for years - leadership.

Combine a kid's talents that Josh possesses with an offensive football mind like DG and I think our offense (if ever healthy) next year with the addition of one of many stud FA running backs (or high draft pick) will absolutely MAUL people next year. With Anquan fully recovered, Fitz havign ayear under his belt and our O-line soldified, we will be dominating next year, and dominating on offense for years to come. How freaking unbelievable will that be?

On defense - well, we'll see. To me, we added two HUGE chunks to the D with Macklin and Berry and the way I look at it, is with the offense being one piece (a stud RB) away from being dominant, most of the focus next offseason will be designed around building up the other side of the ball and there ARE some pieces there already. We'll see how the draft picks develop (Dansby, Dockett) and we'll see if Gerald Hayes CAN actually be that player we hope he will be, but make no mistake about it - this team is on the rise and while they may not indicate in record this season, they are being built, finally by someone who knows what they're doing and I for one, couldn't be happier . . . although I still can't believe that throughout the preseason, we have our top 3 receivers all go down and our starying RB - that really doesn't happen TO ANY TEAM IN THE ENTIRE WORLD - I mean can ANYONE - EVER - think about a similar scenario where a team throughout training camp loses ALL of their starting skill positions at once on offense?

TWO WEEKS TILL FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Hmm I don't know about that though... One of the keys with Green is that he never has had to pay a lot of money to a QB. This has allowed him to put the teams money in other positions which really helps. If Green can pick QB's like he has in the past I think that will be our biggest strength. I say McCown becomes a great qb, asks for a gazillion dollars we let him go and find another qb to take his place while putting our money into other areas....
 

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Two more paragraphs and this should have been a front page piece...got to luv Josh...GO Cards!!!
 

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SunCardfan said:
I think that will be our biggest strength. I say McCown becomes a great qb, asks for a gazillion dollars we let him go and find another qb to take his place while putting our money into other areas....
We may already have him in Navarre...Josh should get his if and when he produces on the field. He is a great talent...lets see how it translates to a full season....I think he will be great.
 

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I am liking Josh more and more. During the taped broadcast yesterday, I saw a commercial that had McCown yelling feverishly at Quan on the sidelines. Anyone know what game that was and what that was about? Leadership? Youthful weirdness? A little of both?
 

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I too have been a McCown doubter who has recently seen the light. He really looked good Saturday and could blossom into a special QB. The Raiders announcers were raving about him. I am not worried about the QB position at all right now - I thought King looked servicable as a back up and Navarre even looks good.

On a side note, Jim Plunkett has to be on of the most horrible announcers around. For example, when they showed the halftime stats he said "nothing really stands out in the stats". Um hello, time of possession 20:00 to 10:00!!
 
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SunCardfan said:
Hmm I don't know about that though... One of the keys with Green is that he never has had to pay a lot of money to a QB. This has allowed him to put the teams money in other positions which really helps. If Green can pick QB's like he has in the past I think that will be our biggest strength. I say McCown becomes a great qb, asks for a gazillion dollars we let him go and find another qb to take his place while putting our money into other areas....

Yes - but it was Green who drafted Daunte Culpepper to be the ring leader of his offense. I think he realized after a while that in order to truly be a contender year in year out - and believe me - DG's teams were NEVER contenders until his QBs started putting up ridiculous numbers and winning MVPs - I think he's realzied the importance of the QB position - likening Josh to Favre - a QB who has made GB a playoff teama dn Super Bowl Champ for a decade . . . don't know where exactly I'm going with that - but you catch my drift.
 

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Rivercard said:
I too have been a McCown doubter who has recently seen the light. He really looked good Saturday and could blossom into a special QB. The Raiders announcers were raving about him. I am not worried about the QB position at all right now - I thought King looked servicable as a back up and Navarre even looks good.

On a side note, Jim Plunkett has to be on of the most horrible announcers around. For example, when they showed the halftime stats he said "nothing really stands out in the stats". Um hello, time of possession 20:00 to 10:00!!


My lasting memory of Plunkett is his lack of preparation, he admitted 4-5 times he'd never heard of Josh before. I can understand saying you're not real familiar with him, but never heard of him, that's admitting just a bit too readily you did no homework.

That whole crew isn't very good.
 

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I don't care how many QBs you can pull out of a hat, no coach wants to have to rely on finding a new one every year. If Josh is the real deal he'll be kept here.
 

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Well you only have so much money to go around... I would rather get a new QB then have to go through what the Colts are going through now down the line. It's not just a one player game, and with how much money teams put into QB it almost seems that way.
 

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I hate it when I agree with Cheesebeef.

McCown looked like butter on saturday. No one could hang on to him.

He's got three kids, a wife, a mortgage, and a little brother in the NFL. His dad is a coach.

He was on The Best Damn Sports show with the Seahawks Shawn Alexander. Shawn tried to give Josh a little lip about how they were going to do against us this year. Josh got defensive right away, gave it right back to him. Then they went outside to throw the football around, I swear, Josh tried to take his head off when he wasn't looking.

It's still early for Josh, but I like what I'm seeing.
 

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Josh is a smart guy, too. When Green made him the starter, he spent all his time either practicing with receivers or in the film room, studying. His goal was to help the coaches teach the new system when the first camps started.

He was astonished at Green's support -- and determined from that day forward to never let Green down.
 

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Russ Smith said:
My lasting memory of Plunkett is his lack of preparation, he admitted 4-5 times he'd never heard of Josh before. I can understand saying you're not real familiar with him, but never heard of him, that's admitting just a bit too readily you did no homework.

That whole crew isn't very good.

And of course they gave us the "St. Louis" Cardinal slip-up. Seriously, how can this still happen? The Cards have now been in Arizona for 16 years.

I much prefered the Pashe/Mitzler team over the Raider homers, but obviously, I'm biased.

Go Cards!!!
 

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And of course they gave us the "St. Louis" Cardinal slip-up. Seriously, how can this still happen? The Cards have now been in Arizona for 16 years.

I much prefered the Pashe/Mitzler team over the Raider homers, but obviously, I'm biased.

Go Cards!!!


I didn't even catch the St. Louis thing, doesn't surprise me.

Have you heard Keena Turner doing 49er games, he's not that great himself, half the time I'm convinced he's only talking because someone is pointing at him telling him to talk, he rarely seems to have a point other than to say so and so is very talented.
 

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too early to say this stuff. let's wait 'til the bullets start flying for real and see what mccown's got. i put very little behind preseason performances. i want josh to succeed, i'm still just very skeptical.
 

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I will consider Josh McCown as "The Answer" when he can prove to me he has the ability to finish off a drive. Right now he is nothing more than a FG Engineer.

Right now I don't share the same excitement for Josh McCown that many of you are expressing here lately.

I like his mobility but there is more to being an NFL QB than being able to scramble.

He has not proven to me that he can stay in the pocket and hit a WR downfield with any degree of regularity. He appears to me to be nothing more than an extension of the running game of which we have none at the moment.

I hope I am wrong, but I don't see the Cardinals lighting up the scoreboard this season even with Fitzgerald and Johnson in the lineup, whose absence along with Quan's has been used as an excuse for Josh.
 

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I hope I am wrong, but I don't see the Cardinals lighting up the scoreboard this season even with Fitzgerald and Johnson in the lineup, whose absence along with Quan's has been used as an excuse for Josh.

Why wouldnt his top 3 WR's being out be a valid "excuse"?
 

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....I don't see the Cardinals lighting up the scoreboard this season even with Fitzgerald and Johnson in the lineup, whose absence along with Quan's has been used as an excuse for Josh.

what? are you drinking? Please name a QB in the NFL that loses its top 3 receivers and is expected to perform at a high level?
 

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what? are you drinking? Please name a QB in the NFL that loses its top 3 receivers and is expected to perform at a high level?
Because that's not the way to look at it.

It doesn't matter if it's Dennis Green and Alex Wood running pass patterns, if the QB doesn't make the correct read, it's the QBs fault.
 

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Because that's not the way to look at it.

It doesn't matter if it's Dennis Green and Alex Wood running pass patterns, if the QB doesn't make the correct read, it's the QBs fault.

Something King does really well, right. ;)
 

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Because that's not the way to look at it.

It doesn't matter if it's Dennis Green and Alex Wood running pass patterns, if the QB doesn't make the correct read, it's the QBs fault.
yeah and if the guy running the routes is too slow (kasper) and can't catch (gilmore) who's at fault?
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
too early to say this stuff. let's wait 'til the bullets start flying for real and see what mccown's got. i put very little behind preseason performances. i want josh to succeed, i'm still just very skeptical.
I would have to agree with the Clown!

Although I must say that I like what I see so far. The thing that really impresses me about McCown and gives me hope for the future, is that every time McCown plays he looks better and better! As long as that trend continues I will be very happy.
 

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DieHardFromMO said:
I will consider Josh McCown as "The Answer" when he can prove to me he has the ability to finish off a drive. Right now he is nothing more than a FG Engineer.

Right now I don't share the same excitement for Josh McCown that many of you are expressing here lately.

I like his mobility but there is more to being an NFL QB than being able to scramble.

He has not proven to me that he can stay in the pocket and hit a WR downfield with any degree of regularity. He appears to me to be nothing more than an extension of the running game of which we have none at the moment.

I hope I am wrong, but I don't see the Cardinals lighting up the scoreboard this season even with Fitzgerald and Johnson in the lineup, whose absence along with Quan's has been used as an excuse for Josh.

In fairness we have no WR's but maybe Poole who have any ability to make a play in tight coverage. In the redzone you need guys like Quan and Fitz to go up and take balls out of the air, we don't have that now. Some of those redzone plays were guys running back and forth with 8 defenders on them, there's just nobody open in the redzone IMHO.

This guy made a comment about guys being wide open for the first read, I just didn't see that most of the night, and neither did the Raider announcers who kept praising their secondary for good coverage. Even Norv Turner said at the half we have to do a better job of finishing the play, we have them covered but we're not getting the QB down.

He's no finished product but he's a lot further along than I expected. I still think Ben will be a better QB, Leftwich too, but I think in this system with healthy WR's Josh will be OK.

My concern is still will he stay healthy, like Rosenbach he seems to have no regard for his body, can't survive like that in the NFL.
 

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clif said:
yeah and if the guy running the routes is too slow (kasper) and can't catch (gilmore) who's at fault?

clif, next to BJ, Kasper is probably the fastest WR on the team right now. Gilmore can catch during practice, it's just during games that he gets the dropsies and can't get open. He sure is fast going down the field though.
 
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