Jags DT J. Henderson to be released.

[Cards Czar]

The first casualty of the NFL Draft is here, and his name is John Henderson.
According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the Jaguars will officially release the veteran defensive tackle later on today, making room for their two draft acquisitions at the position, Tyson Alualu and D’Anthony Smith.
Henderson is a two time Pro Bowler and has been one of Jacksonville’s top performers along their defensive line since he was selected #9 overall by the Jaguars in the 2002 draft. He had 32 tackles and two forced fumbles last season.

http://nflnr.com/2010/04/jaguars-releasing-longtime-vet-john-henderson/


Wonder if the Cards will look to grab him up. You just dont let talent go like that.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I would have been excited to sign him as a NT, Henderson is a ginormous man and a nutcase. After the draft though, there is less than zero chance we would approach him IMO. He would probably be best as a DE in our scheme and we're loaded at end and NT.

 

[azsportsfan01]

There is no need for Henderson anymore.

 

[Black Jesus]

I wouldn't say NO need.

He would be a great addition to what could end up being a great line.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Expect him to sign in Seattle where they need a NT.

 

[azsportsfan01]

While he can contribute, there is really no need. We now have a solid number of guys on the d-line. Who do you sit? I don't think you stunt the growth of Williams by cutting his playing time down significantly.

 

[Monty]

Im not sure about no need at NT. I think he could be a fit as a 3-4 NT and we dont want to expose Williams too much too early so are bound to give Watson and possibly Robinson some snaps, so i wouldnt mind seeing Henderson compete for one of their spots in training camp. Robinson and Watson are both injury prone and Robinson in particular is on his last legs so this wouldnt be the worst move in history. Problem is i dont see the Cards really making a push for him and i see him favoring other teams where he is likely to get more playing them anyway.

 

[Reddog]

Can he play CB?

 

[Monty]

Can he play CB?

I believe he played there in kindergarten.

 

[Reddog]

I believe he played there in kindergarten.

Great lets sign him.

 

[lobo]

Great lets sign him.

Okay your opinion, but a general statement there ain't enough room on the bus for all the f/a many of us want to sign...and guess what they all cost money that some of our vets are looking for and expect and thirdly sadly many are at the end of their careers and just don't have any gas in the tank

 

[40yearfan]

Im not sure about no need at NT. I think he could be a fit as a 3-4 NT and we dont want to expose Williams too much too early so are bound to give Watson and possibly Robinson some snaps, so i wouldnt mind seeing Henderson compete for one of their spots in training camp. Robinson and Watson are both injury prone and Robinson in particular is on his last legs so this wouldnt be the worst move in history. Problem is i dont see the Cards really making a push for him and i see him favoring other teams where he is likely to get more playing them anyway.

I'll guarantee you there aren't going to be 4 nose tackles on the squad.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Im not sure about no need at NT. I think he could be a fit as a 3-4 NT and we dont want to expose Williams too much too early so are bound to give Watson and possibly Robinson some snaps, so i wouldnt mind seeing Henderson compete for one of their spots in training camp. Robinson and Watson are both injury prone and Robinson in particular is on his last legs so this wouldnt be the worst move in history. Problem is i dont see the Cards really making a push for him and i see him favoring other teams where he is likely to get more playing them anyway.

First, I'd be shocked if Williams was starting come week 1. D-Line is the second toughest position to acclimate to when coming into the NFL, and the nose in a 3-4 is the toughest position to master. Watson will be the starter with Williams working his way in, similar to what Whiz and Co have been doing with all of the rooks since they got here. Levi Brown is the only rookie starter we've had in week 1 and that is largely attributed to the fact that Ross got hurt.

Henderson is going to cost $$$; too much to be offered an opportunity to come in and compete for a spot. This guy is still a very good starting caliber tackle. We are in no position to go looking for high-priced DTs right now, especially ones that would be transitioning from a 4-3 base. The Jags just know that they suck and would rather save money/build for the future right now IMO.

Dont forget either than Watson is finally healthy again. It would be great to see him return to or even improve upon where he left off after our first season in the hybrid 3-4. Also, Bryan Robinson is not injury prone, nor has he shown himself to be while in Arizona. The problem with him is that he is not currently a member of the Cardinals and has not been offered anything from the club.

 

[Cardiac]

Robinson isn't on the team. I still doubt we would bring Henderson in though. Interesting idea since the 49ers Oline has the potential to be very good. He could rotate in at DE on run downs and NT on pass downs. IIRC he is the one who wants a trainer to slap him in the face before the game starts. Now that's a man who wants to go to battle.

 

[Sandan]

First, I'd be shocked if Williams was starting come week 1. D-Line is the second toughest position to acclimate to when coming into the NFL, and the nose in a 3-4 is the toughest position to master.

No BS, could you explain why, not all of us have the technical background, heck some of never actually played ... ever.

 

[Monty]

First, I'd be shocked if Williams was starting come week 1. D-Line is the second toughest position to acclimate to when coming into the NFL, and the nose in a 3-4 is the toughest position to master. Watson will be the starter with Williams working his way in, similar to what Whiz and Co have been doing with all of the rooks since they got here. Levi Brown is the only rookie starter we've had in week 1 and that is largely attributed to the fact that Ross got hurt.

Henderson is going to cost $$$; too much to be offered an opportunity to come in and compete for a spot. This guy is still a very good starting caliber tackle. We are in no position to go looking for high-priced DTs right now, especially ones that would be transitioning from a 4-3 base. The Jags just know that they suck and would rather save money/build for the future right now IMO.

Dont forget either than Watson is finally healthy again. It would be great to see him return to or even improve upon where he left off after our first season in the hybrid 3-4. Also, Bryan Robinson is not injury prone, nor has he shown himself to be while in Arizona. The problem with him is that he is not currently a member of the Cardinals and has not been offered anything from the club.

I didnt say that Williams would be starting week 1 and i thought i pointed out that Robinson and Watson would be taking some play time but perhaps i didnt do it clearly enough. I also have been saying for a while that i dont expect any of the rookies to jump straight in and as with all rookies i would expect Whisenhunt to gradually groom Williams in and start giving him more and more responsibility as the season goes on.

Also i clearly pointed that the Cards wouldnt pursue him hard and that other teams would want him more then we would and therefore id consider this whole thing a moot point.

Watson has been injury prone and even if he starts of healthy I just dont trust Watson's back will hold up for long. I may have been a tad harsh lamping Robinson with Gabe Watson as Robinson hasnt been near as injury prone as Watson matter of fact i probably did him a disservice as the only injury i remember hearing about was the foot injury he had at Cincinnati. However he is the wrong side of 35 and his productivity though solid is in decline and we cant expect him to be around for much longer.

This means we have two questionable starters and a rookie at NT and when you have a very goot DT like Henderson on the market you cant dismiss him as an option because we have no need at NT. IMHO We do have a need but not to the extent where id be willing to pay Henderson the money he is looking for. Furthermore if we were to sign somebody like Henderson the path to starting for Williams might be prolonged or blocked to some extent and that wouldnt necessarily be in the Cardinals best future interest neither.

 

[Unsterblich856]

If there's any position we're set at, it's d-line. We already have two great 5-techs, great depth at 5-tech, and a very promising NT.

 

[cardsfanmd]

No BS, could you explain why, not all of us have the technical background, heck some of never actually played ... ever.

For you, no.

 

[Monty]

IIRC he is the one who wants a trainer to slap him in the face before the game starts. Now that's a man who wants to go to battle.

Or he's just got a fetish for it.

 

[Doug]

No BS, could you explain why, not all of us have the technical background, heck some of never actually played ... ever.

NFL Veteran Offensive lineman have learned so many techniques that a rookie DT/NT have NEVER seen or FELT before in the College ranks.Its such a level jump in talent and learned skills Nidan it takes some VERY TALENTED college DT's (3) years to Finally catchup to what happens at the blink of an eye and in a phonebooth.

I can give you a list of awesome successfull DT's and how long it took them to adapt will surprise you.NT is even tougher.Your heart has to really be in it for the collisions that happen every play of your career.You also have to learn how to protect yourself as well as attacking others.Like beccoming a blackbelt in one year is required,at the least.A few here know of what I speak.

Dan Williams will be FRESH MEAT and its up to our OWN offensive linemen and coaches to beat them into shape before they are thrown to the LIONS,not detroit.Once other NFL Veteran Offensive lineman have gamefilm on you ITS ALL OVER,until you get your respective blackbelt in countering most or hardly ever ALL of the techniques without losing your mind or temper as many seem so dirty.The weightroom is your friend(WIFE) and you must learn to love it and LIVE in it,while eating like a Champion on every meal.Thanks for Coach Lott and his value to our team.

I just pray that Dan Williams' Senior year at Tennessee was'nt just for a paycheck but due to his LOVE of the game and position and the First of many Giant steps he NOW has to take to LEAD on a CARDINALS Defensive front.Its the greatest Challenge he will face in his life unless he faces a death fight with a disease.

I can get into infinate detail if you need it.Once again pray we got THE guy,as he was rated the TOP choice to succeed in the future BATTLE to become an NFL Nose Tackle.WOW!!!Pray for his health also.I'm actually glad he is built like a fireplug and not in the 6'4" range.Those guys just have a harder time being waistbenders and using natural leverage.

 

[cardsfanmd]

NFL Veteran Offensive lineman have learned so many techniques that a rookie DT/NT have NEVER seen or FELT before in the College ranks.Its such a level jump in talent and learned skills Nidan it takes some VERY TALENTED college DT's (3) years to Finally catchup to what happens at the blink of an eye and in a phonebooth.

I can give you a list of awesome successfull DT's and how long it took them to adapt will surprise you.NT is even tougher.Your heart has to really be in it for the collisions that happen every play of your career.You also have to learn how to protect yourself as well as attacking others.Like beccoming a blackbelt in one year is required,at the least.A few here know of what I speak.

Kevin Williams will be FRESH MEAT and its up to our OWN offensive linemen and coaches to beat them into shape before they are thrown to the LIONS,not detroit.Once other NFL Veteran Offensive lineman have gamefilm on you ITS ALL OVER,until you get your respective blackbelt in countering most or hardly ever ALL of the techniques without losing your mind or temper as many seem so dirty.The weightroom is your friend(WIFE) and you must learn to love it and LIVE in it,while eating like a Champion on every meal.Thanks for Coach Lott and his value to our team.

I just pray that Kevin Williams' Senior year at Tennessee was'nt just for a paycheck but due to his LOVE of the game and position and the First of many Giant steps he NOW has to take to LEAD on a CARDINALS Defensive front.Its the greatest Challenge he will face in his life unless he faces a death fight with a disease.

I can get into infinate detail if you need it.Once again pray we got THE guy,as he was rated the TOP choice to succeed in the future BATTLE to become an NFL Nose Tackle.WOW!!!Pray for his health also.I'm actually glad he is built like a fireplug and not in the 6'4" range.Those guys just have a harder time being waistbenders and using natural leverage.

fwiw, it's Dan Williams, or D-Dub as I have tagged him

 

[Shzm13]

Id be thrilled if we got John Henderson. I don't know if he could play NT, but im sure he could provide some depth at end

 

[Doug]

fwiw, it's Dan Williams, or D-Dub as I have tagged him

Forgive me I do have a brain tumor.Have'nt gotten it out yet.I hope you all will forgive any future slips.

 

[Catfish]

NFL Veteran Offensive lineman have learned so many techniques that a rookie DT/NT have NEVER seen or FELT before in the College ranks.Its such a level jump in talent and learned skills Nidan it takes some VERY TALENTED college DT's (3) years to Finally catchup to what happens at the blink of an eye and in a phonebooth.

I can give you a list of awesome successfull DT's and how long it took them to adapt will surprise you.NT is even tougher.Your heart has to really be in it for the collisions that happen every play of your career.You also have to learn how to protect yourself as well as attacking others.Like beccoming a blackbelt in one year is required,at the least.A few here know of what I speak.

Dan Williams will be FRESH MEAT and its up to our OWN offensive linemen and coaches to beat them into shape before they are thrown to the LIONS,not detroit.Once other NFL Veteran Offensive lineman have gamefilm on you ITS ALL OVER,until you get your respective blackbelt in countering most or hardly ever ALL of the techniques without losing your mind or temper as many seem so dirty.The weightroom is your friend(WIFE) and you must learn to love it and LIVE in it,while eating like a Champion on every meal.Thanks for Coach Lott and his value to our team.

I just pray that Dan Williams' Senior year at Tennessee was'nt just for a paycheck but due to his LOVE of the game and position and the First of many Giant steps he NOW has to take to LEAD on a CARDINALS Defensive front.Its the greatest Challenge he will face in his life unless he faces a death fight with a disease.

I can get into infinate detail if you need it.Once again pray we got THE guy,as he was rated the TOP choice to succeed in the future BATTLE to become an NFL Nose Tackle.WOW!!!Pray for his health also.I'm actually glad he is built like a fireplug and not in the 6'4" range.Those guys just have a harder time being waistbenders and using natural leverage.

Doug-----thanks for this (MOST INSIGHTFUL) dissertation about the requirements of the NT position. Those of us who never played the game at tis level have NO real understanding of the what it takes to excell at this level. You have been a most welcome and helpful addition to our discussions, and we hope and pray that you find relief for your pain and suffering. We look forward to your continued assistance in helping us to understand the nuances of this most wonderful game. God be with you.

 

[Monty]

I can get into infinate detail if you need it.Once again pray we got THE guy,as he was rated the TOP choice to succeed in the future BATTLE to become an NFL Nose Tackle.WOW!!!Pray for his health also.I'm actually glad he is built like a fireplug and not in the 6'4" range.Those guys just have a harder time being waistbenders and using natural leverage.

Doug,

Excellent analysis in general but i have little disagreement with it in respect to Dan Williams. You say that your happy with his build in regard to his 'fireplug' physicality but i think this in one dimension could cause him trouble if he doesnt adjust at least a fair a bit.

At the moment his build and a lot of his strength is in his legs and backside which is very important to give him that strong base and superb grounding he needs when taking on extremely heavyset line-men. However he currently lacks a lot of upper body strength which experienced line-man will use to eat him up. They will use their long arms and strong hands as well as their superior upper body build to muscle him out of the way and he will become and easy pray for the center and if necessary the guard. If they learn quickly that they can dispose of him this easily he will allow the offensive line to gain quick leverage over our D but eliminating him from the game.

I know this is too much and too far a projection at the moment but i feel he needs to gain A LOT of upper body strenghth in order for him to succeed. The reason why i think the Cards probably dont see this as much of an issue is because Dan can comfortably gain some weight (he weighed in at 350 when he started at Tennessee, and i dont mean he needs to add weight but its natural his height goes up if he adds upper body strenght) but more importantly they know he can gain upper body muscle and strength as he is a very hard worker and extremely motivated guy. This is the reason why the Cardinals place such a heavy emphasis on that latter attitude as it will make it easier for them to coach the rookie into what he needs to do and for that they look for this type of character. Im confident that Dan can do it but it is imperative he does for him to succeed.