Is Anything Real? If so, how do we know?

[SissyBoyFloyd]

We have memories of what we assume are real. And we have thoughts that we call imagination, illusions of grandeur, or simply daydreaming. They both seem to appear or happen in the brain or our heads in the same way. So how are we to distinguish one being more real than another? They both are real in the sense of them being real thoughts. But who is to say that one actually happened in the past and one didn't? Is one more real or valid than another? Can one even be more important than another since they seem like just thoughts of something not of the present? Can we dream or imagine something that we haven't actually experienced in some way? If so, how did that imprint ever get in our minds? Could all our thoughts and dreams be of forgotten realities we once experienced? Actually, isn't who we think we are simply based on those same thoughts/memories? How can we be sure which are 'real'? Can't we simply be whoever we want to 'think or imagine' we are?

 

[puckhead]

Your post made me think of this:

"Once, Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering about, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know that he was Zhuang Zhou.

Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuang Zhou. But he didn't know if he was Zhuang Zhou who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was Zhuang Zhou."

Zhuangzi (book) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dscher]

We have memories of what we assume are real. And we have thoughts that we call imagination, illusions of grandeur, or simply daydreaming. They both seem to appear or happen in the brain or our heads in the same way. So how are we to distinguish one being more real than another? They both are real in the sense of them being real thoughts. But who is to say that one actually happened in the past and one didn't? Is one more real or valid than another? Can one even be more important than another since they seem like just thoughts of something not of the present? Can we dream or imagine something that we haven't actually experienced in some way? If so, how did that imprint ever get in our minds? Could all our thoughts and dreams be of forgotten realities we once experienced? Actually, isn't who we think we are simply based on those same thoughts/memories? How can we be sure which are 'real'? Can't we simply be whoever we want to 'think or imagine' we are?

To all this.....sure! Real...not real...does it matter at the end of the day? Not really if the ego is understood as the illusion it serves imo. The physical representation of the spiritual endless multiverse, universe... what have you. Some say seeing is believing. I say what we believe, is what we see. This can also get into the illusion of choice. Do we have actual choice in what happens to us or what we do?...or is it predetermined? Either one....does it matter? If one can let go of the egoic self, I'd say no.

My little side rant here...

 

[kevin_hall]

I think that it is an eternal question, which means that everyone has a unique answer. While reading this a quote came to mind: "If you are given $84600 every day you would do everything to spend them, wouldn't you? The next day you will receive the same amount of money. So, everyday you've got 84600 seconds. Why waste time? Take every moment to make something unique and positive out of it".

 

[QuebecCard]

Well, one quick kick to the gonads will answer the 'are we real?' question.

 

[BigRedRage]

perception is reality

 

[Bada0Bing]

Yeah, I've often wondered if this moment is all that exists. Not sure, but in the meantime I'll keep on grinding and building a future for my kids.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Yeah, I've often wondered if this moment is all that exists. Not sure, but in the meantime I'll keep on grinding and building a future for my kids.

Are you sure they are your kids? Are you sure they have a future? Could they be something like a reflection of what you wish your childhood was like? Or worse yet, what if their future entails bringing your life to an end?

Or, what if you are not here and I am simply talking and typing with and to myself.

 

[jf-08]

Are you sure they are your kids? Are you sure they have a future? Could they be something like a reflection of what you wish your childhood was like? Or worse yet, what if their future entails bringing your life to an end?

Or, what if you are not here and I am simply talking and typing with and to myself.

Interesting that you bumped this because I was reading this earlier about a CIA study to basically escape the confines of time and space called the Gateway Experience:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

and then found this :

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[SissyBoyFloyd]

Interesting that you bumped this because I was reading this earlier about a CIA study to basically escape the confines of time and space called the Gateway Experience:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-0078

Yes, I was part of that study where they had convinced me that I had been transported to another world nearly identical to ours. In this other world our politicians were nothing more than actors pretending to govern, supposedly having our interests at heart. Yet really in charge were the rich and powerful, who control the financial markets and the world's resources, and who dictate to the politicians what direction they want our country and world to go.

Wait, wasn't that in the early 80's when Reagan was president. Never mind!

 

[Bada0Bing]

Are you sure they are your kids? Are you sure they have a future? Could they be something like a reflection of what you wish your childhood was like? Or worse yet, what if their future entails bringing your life to an end?

Or, what if you are not here and I am simply talking and typing with and to myself.

Lol, nope. But I'm going to keep grinding anyway lol. Got goals to accomplish!

I read a lot about quantum entanglement and string theory though. I love to find podcasts like this to listen to as I fall asleep. Mind bending.

 

[jf-08]

Interesting that you bumped this because I was reading this earlier about a CIA study to basically escape the confines of time and space called the Gateway Experience:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

and then found this :

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I'm just going to drop this here again...holy hell.
- The Gateway Process is a CIA-studied program using sound waves to alter consciousness, enabling out-of-body experiences and access to non-physical realms.
- Reality is described as a hologram: the universe is an energy field where time and space are illusions, and everything is interconnected.
- Consciousness is energy that can transcend the body, time, and space, allowing travel to past/future or distant locations.
- Techniques involve binaural beats (Hemi-Sync) to sync brain hemispheres, achieving focus states for manifestation, healing, and info gathering.
- Purpose: US Army assessed it for intelligence uses, like remote viewing.
- Key finding: Physical world is not ultimate reality; there's an "Absolute" source beyond.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm just going to drop this here again...holy hell.
- The Gateway Process is a CIA-studied program using sound waves to alter consciousness, enabling out-of-body experiences and access to non-physical realms.
- Reality is described as a hologram: the universe is an energy field where time and space are illusions, and everything is interconnected.
- Consciousness is energy that can transcend the body, time, and space, allowing travel to past/future or distant locations.
- Techniques involve binaural beats (Hemi-Sync) to sync brain hemispheres, achieving focus states for manifestation, healing, and info gathering.
- Purpose: US Army assessed it for intelligence uses, like remote viewing.
- Key finding: Physical world is not ultimate reality; there's an "Absolute" source beyond.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

Going to have to take some time to look into this...

 

[Covert Rain]

Not sure but I am pretty sure I picked the wrong pill and ended up in the Matrix.

 

[oaken1]

Not sure but I am pretty sure I picked the wrong pill and ended up in the Matrix.

God I LOVE it when that happens!!

 

[oaken1]

I'm just going to drop this here again...holy hell.
- The Gateway Process is a CIA-studied program using sound waves to alter consciousness, enabling out-of-body experiences and access to non-physical realms.
- Reality is described as a hologram: the universe is an energy field where time and space are illusions, and everything is interconnected.
- Consciousness is energy that can transcend the body, time, and space, allowing travel to past/future or distant locations.
- Techniques involve binaural beats (Hemi-Sync) to sync brain hemispheres, achieving focus states for manifestation, healing, and info gathering.
- Purpose: US Army assessed it for intelligence uses, like remote viewing.
- Key finding: Physical world is not ultimate reality; there's an "Absolute" source beyond.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

somewhere, Carlos Castanedas energy is experiencing rapid high frequency fluctuation.

 

[SECTION 11]

somewhere, Carlos Castanedas energy is experiencing rapid high frequency fluctuation.

I think that was just Bill Grammatica jumping again.

 

[Bada0Bing]

I'm just going to drop this here again...holy hell.
- The Gateway Process is a CIA-studied program using sound waves to alter consciousness, enabling out-of-body experiences and access to non-physical realms.
- Reality is described as a hologram: the universe is an energy field where time and space are illusions, and everything is interconnected.
- Consciousness is energy that can transcend the body, time, and space, allowing travel to past/future or distant locations.
- Techniques involve binaural beats (Hemi-Sync) to sync brain hemispheres, achieving focus states for manifestation, healing, and info gathering.
- Purpose: US Army assessed it for intelligence uses, like remote viewing.
- Key finding: Physical world is not ultimate reality; there's an "Absolute" source beyond.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

Fascinating stuff. And, I love me some binaural beats. I play them when I need to concentrate and then I can focus like nobody’s business.

 

[jf-08]

Fascinating stuff. And, I love me some binaural beats. I play them when I need to concentrate and then I can focus like nobody’s business.

I listen to Solfeggio frequencies every night falling asleep too.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Yeah if I wake up in the middle of the night I grab a quick bowl of cereal, turn on some delta wave binaural beats and turn on my PEMF mat on the 3hz setting and then I’m sleeping like a log in no time.

 

[Mainstreet]

Fascinating stuff. And, I love me some binaural beats. I play them when I need to concentrate and then I can focus like nobody’s business.

We might have touched on this one time in the music forum, but I've learned certain songs, played over and over again, help me find tranquility and sleep.

This is something rather new for me. I've gravitated towards it in the past few months.

The lyrics and melody are very important and I usually play the songs at a low volume.

 

[Bada0Bing]

We might have touched on this one time in the music forum, but I've learned certain songs, played over and over again, help me find tranquility and sleep.

This is something rather new for me. I've gravitated towards it in the past few months.

The lyrics and melody are very important and I usually play the songs at a low volume.

It's crazy how well that works. Ryan Holiday (author) listens to the same song for hours while writing.

I have to be a bit careful with that move because I've had times when I can't fall asleep because my brain is having withdrawals from the song if it's one I really like, and I can't stop hearing it in my head.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's crazy how well that works. Ryan Holiday (author) listens to the same song for hours while writing.

I have to be a bit careful with that move because I've had times when I can't fall asleep because my brain is having withdrawals from the song if it's one I really like, and I can't stop hearing it in my head.

I understand. When I hear the song, I embrace it rather than fight it. It's like music without the stereo.