I’m Not Thankful for the NCAA

[Harry]

When I proposed Kiffin for the new Card’s coach I assumed his contract had a buyout for an NFL team. It doesn’t. I’m so over the bogus NCAA. They spent years suspending kids for taking a plane ticket to fly home to see their family. Now they continue to be fine with coaches jumping contracts. They have no integrity. They just like to bully kids. They might as well disband them. I no longer care where Kiffin coaches as long as it’s not for the Cards.

 

[Goodyear Card]

It has not been about the kids for years. It is all about greed and money. They don't even try and hide it anymore. Unfortunately, it is even spreading to the high school level. The school administrators are more like politicians' than educators.

 

[Dback Jon]

Harry, I hope you would understand all the court cases to realize this has nothing to do with the NCAA

The NCAA has zero power and they’ve been slapped down with multiple court cases to regulate employment in the manner that you’re suggesting


In the past, the NCAA tried to regulate amateur status, but after the house decision, players can now get paid

 

[oaken1]

Harry, I hope you would understand all the court cases to realize this has nothing to do with the NCAA

The NCAA has zero power and they’ve been slapped down with multiple court cases to regulate employment in the manner that you’re suggesting


In the past, the NCAA tried to regulate amateur status, but after the house decision, players can now get paid

they could have just forced the academic standards and made a ton of kids ineligible to play.
they also could have made players sign an amateur agreement contract as a requirement for an athletic scholarship...want free schooling and the opportunity that comes with it?? then play as an amateur...
wanna get paid right out of high school??
Then join the xfl

 

[slanidrac16]

they could have just forced the academic standards and made a ton of kids ineligible to play.
they also could have made players sign an amateur agreement contract as a requirement for an athletic scholarship...want free schooling and the opportunity that comes with it?? then play as an amateur...
wanna get paid right out of high school??
Then join the xfl

I have mixed feelings about this. I don’t like the situation but I absolutely hate seeing head coaches get paid 15m a year.

 

[Dback Jon]

they could have just forced the academic standards and made a ton of kids ineligible to play.
they also could have made players sign an amateur agreement contract as a requirement for an athletic scholarship...want free schooling and the opportunity that comes with it?? then play as an amateur...
wanna get paid right out of high school??
Then join the xfl

That would still have been ruled illegal by the courts.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

College Football died years ago with the introduction of NIL money. It's now semi-pro football...and the "semi"part is debatable.

 

[TJ]

Al Davis was right about Kiffin

 

[oaken1]

That would still have been ruled illegal by the courts.

there is absolutely a way to make it legal...schools are not required to just give away scholarships...they are within their rights to have requirements.
if it were up to me I would make any student with an annual income over 25k be automatically disqualified for a scholarship
the entire point of them in the first place is to help less privileged kids get an education...why give them to students that are using the school to make hundreds of thousands or millions?
any kid making 100k can easily pay their own tuition and books

 

[Rohinaz]

Kiffen was smart to jump, LSU is a premier college football team. Kiffen offered to stay coaching and the ole Miss AD said no. Now that that kids make money, make business decisions on when to play and not to play, I dont have any issues with a coach switching programs, kids do it every season.

 

[Lorenzo]

It’s crazy that there could be 3 or more teams in the playoff mix that lost their coaches to other schools that aren’t sniffing the playoffs. I imagine the playoff committee could take that into account. CFB definitely needs to reel this in.

 

[Lorenzo]

Kiffen was smart to jump, LSU is a premier college football team. Kiffen offered to stay coaching and the ole Miss AD said no. Now that that kids make money, make business decisions on when to play and not to play, I dont have any issues with a coach switching programs, kids do it every season.

Kiffen has often underachieved as a head coach. His tenure in Oxford was the first time that I thought he had success in that regard. LSU could be a backfire for both him and the school if he doesn’t get results within in a few years.

 

[Dback Jon]

there is absolutely a way to make it legal...schools are not required to just give away scholarships...they are within their rights to have requirements.
if it were up to me I would make any student with an annual income over 25k be automatically disqualified for a scholarship
the entire point of them in the first place is to help less privileged kids get an education...why give them to students that are using the school to make hundreds of thousands or millions?
any kid making 100k can easily pay their own tuition and books

The NCAA has been losing in courts more than the Cardinals have been on the field

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

there is absolutely a way to make it legal...schools are not required to just give away scholarships...they are within their rights to have requirements.
if it were up to me I would make any student with an annual income over 25k be automatically disqualified for a scholarship
the entire point of them in the first place is to help less privileged kids get an education...why give them to students that are using the school to make hundreds of thousands or millions?
any kid making 100k can easily pay their own tuition and books

You are correct to a point. The problem is the NCAA was making them ineligible because of improper benefits. The players are now getting paid outside the school for "NIL". There's nothing they can do about that.

The football scholarship is pretty low on the totem pole these days. It all about how much they can get in the bag. It is for the lower-level players, but the big recruits don't care. Bryce Underwood for Michigan got a reported $10 mill. Doubt he's concerned about his education being paid for by a scholarship.

 

[Goodyear Card]

Sports in college are so out of control they should be banned. What is the purpose of college sports? Schools should be about education, not a winning sports team It is effecting the high school athletes. Kids can't have fun it is all about winning.

 

[cardpa]

there is absolutely a way to make it legal...schools are not required to just give away scholarships...they are within their rights to have requirements.
if it were up to me I would make any student with an annual income over 25k be automatically disqualified for a scholarship
the entire point of them in the first place is to help less privileged kids get an education...why give them to students that are using the school to make hundreds of thousands or millions?
any kid making 100k can easily pay their own tuition and books

How about eliminating athletic scholarships completely. Take that money and turn it into academic scholarships instead. A college could take money generated from sports and use it for academic scholarships. I don't know of any rule that would prohibit them from doing that. I also like the your idea of the income limit too. Your correct, scholarships in all forms are designed to help students afford college who would be unable to go otherwise due to financial restraints.

 

[gimpy]

I have mixed feelings about this. I don’t like the situation but I absolutely hate seeing head coaches get paid 15m a year.

Just like I hate seeing quarter billion dollar sports athletes.

 

[Harry]

Harry, I hope you would understand all the court cases to realize this has nothing to do with the NCAA

The NCAA has zero power and they’ve been slapped down with multiple court cases to regulate employment in the manner that you’re suggesting


In the past, the NCAA tried to regulate amateur status, but after the house decision, players can now get paid

Thanks for update. Don’t follow legal stuff much. Still think they’re too tough on kids.

 

[Dback Jon]

Thanks for update. Don’t follow legal stuff much. Still think they’re too tough on kids.

Really would need some type of anti-trust/collective bargaining legislation to satisfy the courts.

With NIL, and Cost of Attendance, most of what got kids and schools penalized in the past for no longer applies

 

[HairZach]

Kiffen was smart to jump, LSU is a premier college football team. Kiffen offered to stay coaching and the ole Miss AD said no. Now that that kids make money, make business decisions on when to play and not to play, I dont have any issues with a coach switching programs, kids do it every season.

I mean its hard for the Ole Miss AD to let Kiffen stay when Kiffen is openly trying to get the entire roster to transfer to LSU, he's also trying to get the best parts of Ole Miss's remaining staff to jump ship before the playoffs.

If the NCAA actually had any power they could have a rule prevent coach poaching until after the playoffs. Imagine if Ben Johnson left to coach the Bears last year before the playoffs even started.

 

[HairZach]

College Football died years ago with the introduction of NIL money. It's now semi-pro football...and the "semi"part is debatable.

All NIL did was allow programs with donors who weren't willing to get involved with shady business to compete with the big dogs. Paying players has always existed in college football, although it had gotten particularly bad in the SEC since 2007.

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[Rohinaz]

I agree, its a weird situation for Ole Miss, but Kiffen was willing to coach which would be preserved the staff through the playoffs. Since Ole miss said no and wouldnt let him even talk to the players before he left, he started putting together his staff to succeed at LSU. If this was the pre-NIL time, I would be more against it, but players get paid and transfer and so do coached. The top QB in the nation just decommitted from georgia to attend vandy.... its a new world.

 

[Lorenzo]

this is not anything new with coaches leaving for more money and big schools. LSU's prior coach left Cincinnati for ND, then even left behind South Bend for Baton Rouge. He had no loyalty. Neither does Lane Kiffin, his track record before Ole Miss speaks for itself. LSU also has a track record for eating their coaches. Even Nick Saban left LSU and the Miami Dolphins, by some accounts prematurely to coach at Alabama. Obviously the right move by Saban and these guys have to do what is right for them. and the players should get to do the same. it is better to let them have some legal avenues to excel as opposed to being exploited and involved in immoral and illegal activity like we saw in the past. and I'm sure that still goes on to some degree.

That said CFB really needs to get some things figured out. You can't have coaches leaving their program before the playoffs. It doesn't seem right nor does it seem like the best thing for fair play. these windows for players and coaches to move needs to changed to more appropriate timelines.

 

[Mainstreet]

this is not anything new with coaches leaving for more money and big schools. LSU's prior coach left Cincinnati for ND, then even left behind South Bend for Baton Rouge. He had no loyalty. Neither does Lane Kiffin, his track record before Ole Miss speaks for itself. LSU also has a track record for eating their coaches. Even Nick Saban left LSU and the Miami Dolphins, by some accounts prematurely to coach at Alabama. Obviously the right move by Saban and these guys have to do what is right for them. and the players should get to do the same. it is better to let them have some legal avenues to excel as opposed to being exploited and involved in immoral and illegal activity like we saw in the past. and I'm sure that still goes on to some degree.

That said CFB really needs to get some things figured out. You can't have coaches leaving their program before the playoffs. It doesn't seem right nor does it seem like the best thing for fair play. these windows for players and coaches to move needs to changed to more appropriate timelines.

And there are players who will sit out the playoffs to avoid injuries or possibly lower their draft status.

 

[Buckybird]

When I proposed Kiffin for the new Card’s coach I assumed his contract had a buyout for an NFL team. It doesn’t. I’m so over the bogus NCAA. They spent years suspending kids for taking a plane ticket to fly home to see their family. Now they continue to be fine with coaches jumping contracts. They have no integrity. They just like to bully kids. They might as well disband them. I no longer care where Kiffin coaches as long as it’s not for the Cards.

Kiffin has always come across as an entitled, privileged, jerk…he’s no different than Petrino, Chip Kelly or Urban Meyer!!! When times get tough, they bail