How much does the same 5 oline matter?

[cardinals2025]

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Are we trying to re-invent the wheel by using a rotation based on who is playing the best at the time? 10 of the top 11 teams above 50% shared snaps (all except SF) made the playoffs last year.

I don’t really know what to think. Look how far LA went without a stable oline. But how much of that was do to us fading at the end of the year?

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think we prefer to play with a rotation on the offensive line. We subbed a lot of dudes because we had guys injured and were shuffling to find the best players.

In week 1 four out of the five starting OL played 100% of the snaps, and Beachum and Williams made up the rest.

 

[SECTION 11]

Yeah I don’t know what to think either.

 

[Chopper0080]

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Are we trying to re-invent the wheel by using a rotation based on who is playing the best at the time? 10 of the top 11 teams above 50% shared snaps (all except SF) made the playoffs last year.

I don’t really know what to think. Look how far LA went without a stable oline. But how much of that was do to us fading at the end of the year?

Yeah...I don't think you are interpreting this correctly. I think it is stating what was the most common used OL combination for each team. Notice the Cardinals are missing Hernandez and Williams who both had injury issues last year. It has nothing to do with using a rotation.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yeah I don’t know what to think either.

I think some of these "think pieces" should have been thought out a bit more.

 

[cardinals2025]

I think some of these "think pieces" should have been thought out a bit more.

You don’t think there is an extra benefit towards a rotation playing with each other at least half the time?

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[Shane]

You don’t think there is an extra benefit towards a rotation playing with each other at least half the time?

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Cards rotation was simply due to injury nothing more nothing less

 

[kerouac9]

You don’t think there is an extra benefit towards a rotation playing with each other at least half the time?

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Does anyone think that? Almost every OL analysis I remember reading highlights how important it is to consistently play the same five players.

 

[BigDavis75]

I feel like Adams would either start and get taken out or come in at a certain point when not starting when it wasn’t due to injury. Outside of that agreed we were just playing our healthy guys pretty much every snap.

 

[oaken1]

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Are we trying to re-invent the wheel by using a rotation based on who is playing the best at the time? 10 of the top 11 teams above 50% shared snaps (all except SF) made the playoffs last year.

I don’t really know what to think. Look how far LA went without a stable oline. But how much of that was do to us fading at the end of the year?

if anything that graphic clearly displays what a beat up disaster our line was last season. the entire right side listed are not even starters and they got the most usage.
.....all that aside they still played relatively well as a group. Just would have been much better if Hernandez and Williams would have played the entire season.
Continuity is important. Those guys need to know each other. How they react to stunts, when they are going to need to help each other out, and when they can expect their neighbor to help them out....that only comes from repetitive snaps side by side in random situations.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

if anything that graphic clearly displays what a beat up disaster our line was last season. the entire right side listed are not even starters and they got the most usage.
.....all that aside they still played relatively well as a group. Just would have been much better if Hernandez and Williams would have played the entire season.
Continuity is important. Those guys need to know each other. How they react to stunts, when they are going to need to help each other out, and when they can expect their neighbor to help them out....that only comes from repetitive snaps side by side in random situations.

Except it wasn't a disaster. It was one of the best lines we have had for a decade...

 

[kerouac9]

I feel like Adams would either start and get taken out or come in at a certain point when not starting when it wasn’t due to injury. Outside of that agreed we were just playing our healthy guys pretty much every snap.

He played 100% of the snaps in his starts from Week 14 to 18.

Hernandez went down in Week 5, when Adams was inactive. Weeks 6-9 he played ~35% of the offensive snaps. He was rotating with Colon-Castillo.

He had a thumb injury that sidelined him through the Seahawks game (or the staff trusted Colon to play 100% of the snaps in a game that would determine our playoff destiny). Then he was a starter the rest of the year.

 

[oaken1]

Except it wasn't a disaster. It was one of the best lines we have had for a decade...

Im not disagreeing...the past few years have seen our offensive line perform among the best we have seen in Arizona.
But that being said...nobody in their right mind can deny that the RG and RT were totally abused last season,...especially RG after Hernandez went down.... it was clearly a disaster
unless maybe you didnt witness seattles DT's blowing past our RG and getting to kyler before he finished his drop back like the rest of us did?
had Hernandez and Williams played the entire season I am fairly confident we would have picked up at the very least 1 more win,...but likely 2 more.

 

[gimpy]

Im not disagreeing...the past few years have seen our offensive line perform among the best we have seen in Arizona.
But that being said...nobody in their right mind can deny that the RG and RT were totally abused last season,...especially RG after Hernandez went down.... it was clearly a disaster
unless maybe you didnt witness seattles DT's blowing past our RG and getting to kyler before he finished his drop back like the rest of us did?
had Hernandez and Williams played the entire season I am fairly confident we would have picked up at the very least 1 more win,...but likely 2 more.

Two more wins? I like your thinking and hope it translates to that this year, too.

 

[oaken1]

Two more wins? I like your thinking and hope it translates to that this year, too.

I know it sounds like a lot. But I try to look at it from a Gestalt position...
we have a QB with trust issues...we have all seen him get antsy after a single mistake from a lineman and spend the rest of the game rolling out of the pocket too soon...or throwing it away too soon. we have also seen him stop throwing to a WR after a single drop...trust issues...having it in his head that his line is dinged up and cant block as well affects everything Kyler does...every handoff, every throw.

Then when you look at the loss of big Will in the running game....his replacements were not awful in run blocking,...but the lack of physical dominance was pretty obvious on the right side.

I just think losing the entire right side of the line for half the season has to have effects that are not readily apparent....and sans those negative effects,...we win a couple more games.

 

[BACH]

Stability is important enough that you do not rotate. We did last year, because Adams wasn’t ready. That is not the norm.

Also, I think the most important fact is missing in your theory. We have two really good players at the O-line. They are the stabilizing factor. Fro played all games. PJJ played 16.

 

[football karma]

another source of upside

just getting NFL average O line health would add nearly 30% of snaps to the same five

and as pointed out, there is a strong correlation between consistency on the o line and winning games

 

[BirdGangThing]

hopefully our o-line is on the field a o-lot this year - i hope this new coach is all about some cardio

 

[kerouac9]

hopefully our o-line is on the field a o-lot this year - i hope this new coach is all about some cardio

IIRC that was an area of emphasis for Kliff in the early years.