How big of a contract would you offer Fitz?

[DaisyCutter]

I meant a 20M signing bonus. + 4-5M salary.

I just meant that in his new contract, he'd still be getting more money this year, which is why he'd extend.

Also, I think his cap number is going to be $17 million, but that's not all money that he's going to be getting. I think some of it is pro-rated signing bonus. According to Joe's salary cap thread, some $2.7 million of it is pro-rated signing bonus. So if he had a $15 million signing bonus on a new deal and a $5 million salary, he'd be getting some $5 million more right now (the only important thing) than he would be.

 

[joeshmo]

I just meant that in his new contract, he'd still be getting more money this year, which is why he'd extend.

Also, I think his cap number is going to be $17 million, but that's not all money that he's going to be getting. I think some of it is pro-rated signing bonus. According to Joe's salary cap thread, some $2.7 million of it is pro-rated signing bonus. So if he had a $15 million signing bonus on a new deal and a $5 million salary, he'd be getting some $5 million more right now (the only important thing) than he would be.

He would be making 3 Mill more this season with the new deal compared to the 17.3 Mill(His base salary was raised to 14.6 now add in the 2.7 prorated signing bonus) he would make this year otherwise.

17.3(non-gauranteed spread out over 16 game checks) vs. 20 Mill (15 Mill Signing bonus + 5 Mill base)(15 of which is gauranteed and in your pocket day 1). 2.7 More mill and 75% of the total is gauranteed). Very easy choice.

Edit - I think we pretty much said the same thing, I just said it differently.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He would be making 3 Mill more this season with the new deal compared to the 17.3 Mill(His base salary was raised to 14.6 now add in the 2.7 prorated signing bonus) he would make this year otherwise.

17.3(non-gauranteed spread out over 16 game checks) vs. 20 Mill (15 Mill Signing bonus + 5 Mill base)(15 of which is gauranteed and in your pocket day 1). 2.7 More mill and 75% of the total is gauranteed). Very easy choice.

Edit - I think we pretty much said the same thing, I just said it differently.

Not guaranteed? I know he could be cut and make nothing, is that what you mean? Does anyone in their right mind think that this is an option that Cards would even speak outloud?

 

[joeshmo]

Not guaranteed? I know he could be cut and make nothing, is that what you mean? Does anyone in their right mind think that this is an option that Cards would even speak outloud?

Injuries. The reason why Gauranteed is so improtant to players more so then total amount of contract.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Injuries. The reason why Gauranteed is so improtant to players more so then total amount of contract.

After what game of the year, do contracts become guaranteed? Or is it truly a week to week basis?

 

[Skkorpion]

Either we'll make a deal or we won't. Until then, the upcoming draft is of far more interest.

 

[AZCB34]

Not guaranteed? I know he could be cut and make nothing, is that what you mean? Does anyone in their right mind think that this is an option that Cards would even speak outloud?

Yes...in fact cutting Fitz is certainly on the Cards radar screen because it is a viable option for them given the cap hit Fitz will supposedly create with his roster bonus. I think most any team will have cutting him on their radar in this circumstance.

The biggest question is what will Larry's stance be? He has to agree to a restructuring for one to happen and one has to wonder if he will be amenable given the fact he instantly becomes the crown jewel of FA if he is cut and there will be a line of teams willing to offer him very good deals...maybe even better than the Cards would be willing to offer.

Fitz could very easily decline a resturcturing forcing the cards to choose between their cap and cutting him...and he could do simply to see what the FA market would hold for him if the Cards do actually cut him.

I disagree with Skorp in that this story is huge because how it pans out will greatly influence how the Cards not only attack their FA acquisitions (Graves said he wasn't go to be active but losing Fitz could alter that stance greatly) but it wouls certainly alter their drafting strategy.

 

[Renz]

Come on. The salary cap is going up about $9 million next season. It would be a bitch to eat all that cap space up with one player, but I agree with DCR. There is NO WAY that Fitz will be cut.

 

[ItsInTheCards]

After what game of the year, do contracts become guaranteed? Or is it truly a week to week basis?

veteran salaries are guaranteed as of week 1

thats why you'll see a few vested vets cut before the opening day roster is made, and then they'll be re-signed post week 1 to only be on the hook for their salary from week to week

the Cards actually did this with brad badger this year

 

[Goodyear Card]

I am sure we can work a deal that will be beneficial for both parties.

 

[Goodyear Card]

8 Years, 15 Mill signing bonus, 2.5 Mill roster bonus in 2009, 2.5 Mill roster bonus in 2010 for a total of 20 Mill guaranteed. Base Salaries in total of 40 Mill.

Total contract value 8 years - 60 Mill.

Joeshmo,

what are the salary cap implications from the first contact? Do we have to account for the rest of the signing bonus from the first contract?

thanks for all of your work

 

[CtCardinals78]

Seriously is there any reason why joeshmo shouldn't be poster of the year. His captology makes me sleep easy at night. I can rest without worrying about perceived cap issues!

 

[WisconsinCard]

Seriously is there any reason why joeshmo shouldn't be poster of the year. His captology makes me sleep easy at night. I can rest without worrying about perceived cap issues!

 

[jefftheshark]

Seriously is there any reason why joeshmo shouldn't be poster of the year. His captology makes me sleep easy at night. I can rest without worrying about perceived cap issues!

I thought he was poster of the year?


Although, great as he is, he will never replace the "Poster of the Year - 1977":

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[CtCardinals78]

WisconsinCard I regret to inform you that you have broken one of the rules in order to qualify for poster of the year. By inserting a smiley icon to increase your post count without posting a text you are now ineligible to receive poster of the year in 2008!

 

[cardsfanmd]

Seriously is there any reason why joeshmo shouldn't be poster of the year. His captology makes me sleep easy at night. I can rest without worrying about perceived cap issues!

 

[CtCardinals78]

I thought he was poster of the year?


Although, great as he is, he will never replace the "Poster of the Year - 1977":

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Sorry Joe but that is a much better poster!

I just wanted to reinforce the fact the Joe was our MVP for 2007!

You keep putting this stuff up JTS you got my vote for '08!

 

[cardsfanmd]

WisconsinCard I regret to inform you that you have broken one of the rules in order to qualify for poster of the year. By inserting a smiley icon to increase your post count without posting a text you are now ineligible to receive poster of the year in 2008!

Its OK, He wasn't gonna win anyway. I have pictures of him laying out on the ground after he fell thru a chair while tailgating at the Redskins game last year. The best part is his son pointing and laughing at him. I was gonna save them for my final bash campaign in late december, but since he is disqualified I feel the need to go dig the pics up and post them now.


BTW- Wisconsin, How did Russ do in the playoffs?

 

[Shane]

If you make Fitz the top paid WR in the league you are going to have no choice but to give Q a similar contract when its time for his to come due. EspeciAlly if he continues to play at his current level. And you want to keep him.

Their stats are WAY to similar not to and his agent will have every right to demand such a deal.

60/60 games/starts for Fitz and you have 330 rec for 4544 13.8 avg. and 34 TD's

68/66 games/starts for Q and you have 413 rec for 5458 13.3 avg. and 29 TD's

That works out to about a draw IMO. Fitz is a little better production in the endzone but its not uber dominating better like many of you say it is. He averages a TD about every 1.7 games while Q gets one every 2.3 games. Fitz has a small edge in YPC too.

Q averages more yards per game and more receptions per game.

They both have their niche in this offense and both bring playmaking ability just in a different manner.

Those of you that think Q wont get it nor deserve it are only kidding themselves. Fitz is Younger but Q is only 27 and is a good 5-6 years from a likely slowdown physically. I agree the team should wait till next year or even 2009 to restructure him. But when they do they WILL have to give a deal similar to what Fitz gets in order to keep him unless his play just drops dramatically here in the next year or two which is highly unlikely.

 

[Bobcat]

Personally, after watching him in the last game, driving home, I was willing to offer him a 10 year, $80 million contract. I was wondering if it'd be possible to make him the first $100 million wideout. He's incredible right now, and he's only going to be 25 at the beginning of next season.

I think the Cards should make Larry Fitzgerald the highest-paid WR in the NFL this offseason. It'd be well-deserved.

I would also include $50 million in guaranteed Money + incentives over the Contract. Let us face it if we are going to go to the next level you need WR's like Fitz, and Q. Also with the Salary Cap going up each year; in 10 years this will be Chump change. Just look at Baseball and Basketball.

BOBCAT

 

[ItsInTheCards]

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and it was after this photo shoot that she demanded never to be shot on a beach in Iceland ever again