Green's way is a hard way.

[Skkorpion]

http://arizonasportsfans.com/storypage.php?Story_ID=501&Category=cardinals

 

[Redheart]

Thanks Skorp.

A nice, thoughtful write-up.

MJ still does not get a pass from me though. He has gone beyond professional cynicism to arrogant vindictiveness. Why??? I think it is because he in fear of his job as the "Cardinals Insider". I think we need someone fresh for that job (*cough*Chrissy Mauck*cough*)

Can Denny cut him?

 

[Phlegyas]

Good article.

 

[Gnomad]

ain't it the truth? Nice article, and speaks the true way of things. Just win, dammit. Just win.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

If DG turns this around a hearty FU is in order for MJ.

 

[Clif]

very nice article


of course the reporters want to cover a winning team, and sure the team will have to do its part.

When the time comes and the team starts to do the things it will take to win, such as getting a premier head coach, resigning your own nucleus, getting a new stadium, it would be better served to give them credit for that rather than rehash the crap from years past.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

I've said this before, but MJ has more access to the team than we do. Maybe we will be horrible this year. Also, the man has the right to have an opinion, and you have the right to disagree. MJ has been around sports for awhile, so I doubt that he just hates Green because Green cut a few players that MJ got along with.

Think about it: we have no depth at the o-line. If anyone goes down, then we have a rookie, most likely undrafted, starting. Same goes for our DTs.

I think we'll have a good year (I've said that since 1990), but I understand where the sceptics are coming from.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Maybe MJ should be the next coach.

 

[Russ Smith]

Can someone explain to me how the media access affects wins and losses?

Were Somers and company telling the opponents the signals(I thought they already knew them anyways)?

This is the part of DG I don't like, just coach the team don't pretend you're running the CIA or something.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

I just don't get bashing someone before the season even starts.

Call someone the Anti-Christ if you start 0-6 but how can you crap on someone who is 0-0?

 

[Redheart]

I've said this before, but MJ has more access to the team than we do. Maybe we will be horrible this year. Also, the man has the right to have an oppinion, and you have the right to disagree. MJ has been around sports for awhile, so I doubt that he just hates Green because Green cut a few players that MJ got along with.

I have listened to MJ for years. I never really had a problem with him until this year. Whatever his reason...he does not miss a chance to slam DG. It is funny when you listen to him on his "official" Cardinal pre-game stuff...totally different.

When he is on 1060...

 

[Russ Smith]

I just don't get bashing someone before the season even starts.

Call someone the Anti-Christ if you start 0-6 but how can you crap on someone who is 0-0?

I'm not crapping on him but there's a difference between changing the mentality, and going paranoia on us.

Skorp made a comment about if this is what it takes to build a winner, I'm all for it. So I asked specifically what about this is going to help us win? Why was the prior media access such a problem?

I'll give you an example, there was a time that Bill Walsh used to tell KNBR radio every week what the first play was going to be, they'd announce it on air just before the game, and it would be right every time(I mean literally like after the 49ers got the ball they would say the first play will be such and such).

Walsh' belief was if you have good players and coach them well, you will win.
DG is a Walsh disciple, he certainly didn't learn this bunker mentality us against the world stuff from Bill.

I have no problem with changing the mentality of the franchise, I just fail to see what the media had to do with that?

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Will any of this matter Russ if DG fields a winner?

 

[Clif]

I'm not crapping on him but there's a difference between changing the mentality, and going paranoia on us.

Skorp made a comment about if this is what it takes to build a winner, I'm all for it. So I asked specifically what about this is going to help us win? Why was the prior media access such a problem?

I'll give you an example, there was a time that Bill Walsh used to tell KNBR radio every week what the first play was going to be, they'd announce it on air just before the game, and it would be right every time(I mean literally like after the 49ers got the ball they would say the first play will be such and such).

Walsh' belief was if you have good players and coach them well, you will win.
DG is a Walsh disciple, he certainly didn't learn this bunker mentality us against the world stuff from Bill.

I have no problem with changing the mentality of the franchise, I just fail to see what the media had to do with that?

because he probably gets tired of being hounded with stupid questions. Most of the time the crap that is asked has nothing to do with football.

Obviously media access had nothing to do with it. If that was the case the cards would have won the superbowl with all the Mcginnis BS.

Let the guy run his show. Name many teams in the NFL that dont do the same thing he does.

 

[FJM]

Skkorp, if the local media Cuts back on the coverage of the Cards and give the ink to the baseball playoffs and then go on to the Suns thru the fall season the attendance at Sun Devil will be nil. Will the Bidwill's stand for it?
The team has it tough enough and if you take away the free ink??????

I know wins will make a big difference but beng realistic this team would have a tough go in the CFL.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Maybe the local media should concentrate on the baseball playoffs.

At least for the first time they'll be publishing positive stuff about the Cards.

 

[Russ Smith]

Will any of this matter Russ if DG fields a winner?

That's not my question Buckeye. The claim is everything DG does is done with winning in mind. So what about this is going to help us win?

Remember, Green used to be part of the media, he has no fear of the media, he just doesn't want anybody else on his team talking to them because he wants everything internal, because he's a control freak.

To some extent control freak and good head coach go hand in hand. But you don't have to put your team in Siberia(in the middle of Arizona) in order to field a winning football team.

I have no issue with cutting off "leaks" guy who run to Jurecki et al and complain probably are undermining DG and that should be stopped. But sealing most of practice is different, it's got nothing to do with winning or losing games.

 

[Russ Smith]

because he probably gets tired of being hounded with stupid questions. Most of the time the crap that is asked has nothing to do with football.

Obviously media access had nothing to do with it. If that was the case the cards would have won the superbowl with all the Mcginnis BS.

Let the guy run his show. Name many teams in the NFL that dont do the same thing he does.

Clif sorry but that makes no sense. You think Somers is asking DG about his last fishing trip while the team is preparing for the Rams short yardage situations? In the middle of practice all the media is doing is standing there watching. If they're lucky maybe they can talk to someone on the sideline. They're not out in the middle of it leaning over DG's shoulder asking him what color senko he thinks works best on largemouth bass.

It has nothing to do with not wanting to answer dumb questions, it has everything to do with wanting total control. That's precisely what Green did in Minnesota towards the end, in his book he admitted he told the owner he didn't want him attending practices, the OWNER of the team he was coaching!!!!

he could open up practices tomorrow and it would have no impact on the games.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

I hope you're wrong Russ.

You're painted picture of DG is one of a guy who is a control freak.....a stupid control freak.

I have no problem with control freaks.

Bobby Knight is a control freak.

But he wins.

I want a winner.

Buddy Ryan was a control freak.

Buddy was a defensive genius control freak and an offensive moron control freak.

DG may be just the opposite.

Me thinks the jury is still out.

 

[Chaz]

Nice job Jim, thanks.

My take is that some of that bunker mentality is a vehicle to change the culture and attitude of the team. Attempts have been made before and from our experience with this team we understand it is not always an easy process. Sometimes it is downright painful but it needs to be done. DG may not win "personality of the year" from the media, fans, or the players but I believe he knows what it takes to win football games. All we can do as fans is hope his judgements work out for the best and hope the management gives him the support and time he needs to finish the job.

Historicaly this is the best time of the season, sure there are no wins yet but no losses either. We have the hope associated with the uncertainty of the future. Sure it could get ugly on Sunday but I prefer to think we will see a new Cards team that will give us something to get excited about.

GO CARDS.

 

[Russ Smith]

I hope you're wrong Russ.

You're painted picture of DG is one of a guy who is a control freak.....a stupid control freak.

I have no problem with control freaks.

Bobby Knight is a control freak.

But he wins.

I want a winner.

Buddy Ryan was a control freak.

Buddy was a defensive genius control freak and an offensive moron control freak.

DG may be just the opposite.

Me thinks the jury is still out.

I must be expressing myself poorly, Green is highly intelligent, not stupid.

The point is that in Minnesota when problems started to happen, Green circled the wagons, cut off the media and took more control. He literally told the owner not to come to practice, he also considered telling the owner if he didn't sell him a portion of the team, he was going to file a lawsuit against him, his grounds..... racial discrimination.
So it scares me that in his first year, with ZERO games coached, he already feels the need to start the same bunker mentality he finished up with as a Viking coach.

I disliked Mac's regime as much as anybody, but that doesn't mean the next coach has to go to such an extreme when by now it's quite clear to everyone involved who's in charge.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

I'm only scared Russ if he loses.

I'm scared because I know the next coach here will suck more than Denny.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm only scared Russ if he loses.

I'm scared because I know the next coach here will suck more than Denny.

Agreed, but based on everything I have read, Green did not operate in this manner during the winning years in Minnesota. He did the roster moves, the cuts, things of that nature. But the paranoia deal wasn't part of the program, he only started that when things got worse.

Hopefully he will loosen up as things get better here.

 

[Clif]

Clif sorry but that makes no sense. You think Somers is asking DG about his last fishing trip while the team is preparing for the Rams short yardage situations? In the middle of practice all the media is doing is standing there watching. If they're lucky maybe they can talk to someone on the sideline. They're not out in the middle of it leaning over DG's shoulder asking him what color senko he thinks works best on largemouth bass.

It has nothing to do with not wanting to answer dumb questions, it has everything to do with wanting total control. That's precisely what Green did in Minnesota towards the end, in his book he admitted he told the owner he didn't want him attending practices, the OWNER of the team he was coaching!!!!

he could open up practices tomorrow and it would have no impact on the games.

It makes sense if it is what DG wants. I am so tired of people complaining they don't have access to the team like they used to. So what??? They have a game to play.

I have come to understand that DG likes to handle problems in house and does not need the media spouting off about every little thing they see or hear. The point I am trying to make is that there is nothing wrong with having a tighter run ship. DG does not need his team's dirty laundry out for public viewing.

We don't need to hear from the 3rd string running back on how the coach runs his camp. Some of that garbage is in no way productive. That is why IMO MJ is so upset. He sits on his show and makes these like wise cracks about how "some players" aren't buying into and they see the coach as "two faced". I mean how the heck cares.

MJ and all the other media types are entitled to their opinion, but they dont need to report every little bit of what goes on. I would think the players would respect the fact that they wont be blasted in the media by their coach.

 

[Brighteyes]

I believe the same rules -- and even more restrictive -- apply to other teams. I know last year the Cardinals were considered a paradise to cover by comparison. I was told that by several media types - local and national.

Even last year there were restrictions on what you could report. You could never ask questions or talk about what you actually saw on the practice field. Now they're making sure you don't tell -- because you don't see.

Maybe some of it is the tiny bits - such as a coach calling a receiver 'questionable' for the weekend, but a reporter saying he looks great on Tuesday. Perhaps there's a concern of a 'spy' getting in -- who knows?

Bottom line: this is just bringing the Cards in line with the rest of the league; not some new thing only Coach Green does.