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Associated Press, TEMPE, Ariz. -- In their first three road games this year, the Arizona Cardinals were competitive. They took a step backward in a 38-14 loss at Buffalo, though, and a disappointed coach Dennis Green went back to the drawing board.

This week, special teams will be under the microscope, and the aim will be to beef up the unit.

"A week ago, we looked fast and quick and explosive," Green said Monday. "If you saw us play yesterday, we looked smaller than Buffalo. When speed can't run, you've got a problem. We're going to have to get a little bit more size -- hopefully don't sacrifice as much speed.

"There are some times when that speed will be great for us, but there'll be other times we're going to have to go with a little more size, and yesterday was one of those cases."

The Cardinals (2-5) raised hopes by beating Seattle 25-17 on Oct. 24, but a week later they stunned their fans the way the Bills manhandled them in nasty weather on the shore of Lake Erie.

"I've played in some downpours in east Texas, but these were the worst conditions I've ever been in," Arizona quarterback Josh McCown said after his first experience with the area's notorious wind, which gusted to 40 mph.

Green thought Terrence McGee's 87-yard kickoff return for the Bills seconds after Arizona cut Buffalo's lead to 10-7 at the 8:25 mark of the second quarter was the key play of the game.

"That was something we never could overcome," he said.

With that in mind, the first-year Cardinals coach promised to examine every option to improve special-teams performance -- and everyone knows he means it.

Green cut center Pete Kendall, now with the New York Jets, the day training camp opened to unsettle the rest of the offensive line, and followed up last week by demoting offensive line coach Bob Wylie to scouting duties and promoting first-year assistant Everett Lindsay to Wylie's old position.

Green said Lindsay was hired because of his bright potential and simply progressed faster than expected.

"We took over a team that had four of the highest-paid players on the team on the offensive line last year, and that was the least productive group on the football team," Green said. "To do something about that, you've got to be drastic, and I'll tell you something: I don't mind being drastic."

He thought the line performed creditably despite the coaching shift and the three Buffalo sacks of McCown. Emmitt Smith had 66 yards on 16 carries in the first half, but lost two yards in six tries in the second.

"We didn't do anything when we had the wind," Smith said.

Wide receiver Anquan Boldin, last year's NFL offensive rookie of the year, saw his first action after missing six games because of a knee injury in training camp, and picked up where he left off with a team-high four catches for 50 yards.

But McCown was only 9-of-24 for 101 yards and a 28-yard TD to Bryant Johnson, and the best thing about having Boldin back was probably that fact that he wasn't hurt by a helmet in the back while elevating for his first catch.

Cornerback Renaldo Hill pulled a hamstring and may miss one to two weeks, but Green planned to list linebacker Gerald Hayes (thigh bruise) as probable for this week's game at Miami.

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azdad1978 said:
Green said Lindsay was hired because of his bright potential and simply progressed faster than expected.


http://www.azcardinals.com/news/news_details.html?iid=2350

Sorry but Green just cracks me up sometimes. He goes on and on about how bad the OL has been this year, and then says his recent hire has progressed so fast he promoted him to OL coach? How come that progress didn't translate to better OL play? Or was Wylie holding Lindsay back?

Why not just say, I didn't see eye to eye with Wylie, I had Lindsay, I had the worlds most versatile consultant, so I fired Wylie?
 

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Sorry but Green just cracks me up sometimes. He goes on and on about how bad the OL has been this year, and then says his recent hire has progressed so fast he promoted him to OL coach? How come that progress didn't translate to better OL play? Or was Wylie holding Lindsay back?

Why not just say, I didn't see eye to eye with Wylie, I had Lindsay, I had the worlds most versatile consultant, so I fired Wylie?

Don't be obtuse, Russ. Lindsay has officially had the job for all of one game, and it's a given that Green didn't see "eye-to-eye" with Wylie.
 

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Don't be obtuse, Russ. Lindsay has officially had the job for all of one game, and it's a given that Green didn't see "eye-to-eye" with Wylie.

I thought i was be acute :)

Green said he promoted him because he had progressed so quickly. Green also says the OL has been a problem all year.

So either the OL stinks and it's all Wylie's fault, which implies Lindsay had nothing to do with coaching the OL, yet somehow was progressing. Or the OL stinks, both Wylie and Lindsay were coaching it, but Green and Wylie didnt' see eye to eye so he fired him.

Which goes back to my original point, instead of some nonsensical corporate HR mumbo jumbo about Lindsay progressing, why not just say we fired Wylie because we didn't see eye to eye?

That's why I said he cracks me up, you said yourself we all know he didn't get along with Wylie, why claim otherwise?


Green cracks me up with this stuff. Which is why I said precisely that.
 

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"We took over a team that had four of the highest-paid players on the team on the offensive line last year, and that was the least productive group on the football team," Green said. "To do something about that, you've got to be drastic, and I'll tell you something: I don't mind being drastic."


Bye bye - Big

bye bye - Shelton

bye bye - Clement

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RugbyMuffin said:
"We took over a team that had four of the highest-paid players on the team on the offensive line last year, and that was the least productive group on the football team," Green said. "To do something about that, you've got to be drastic, and I'll tell you something: I don't mind being drastic."


Bye bye - Big
bye bye - Shelton
bye bye - Clement

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Big gone? Possibly
Shelton gone? Not likely. He's our best O-lineman
Clement gone? Yup.
 

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Did Clement even play last game?

Changes...but WHAT changes...
 

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Big and Shelton will still be on the roster next season too much of a cap hit I would think. And you can't get better size although I'd be willing to bet they trade a little size for more agility next offseason.

And I think Big is our best lineman not Shelton.
 

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Big is our best run blocker, Shelton is the best pass blocker. I thought Green's offense tended to run more to the left(weak) side and that is why Big is playing LT. If you put Shelton back at LT, how much would that impact the ability to run? Shelton has never been an overpowering run blocker.
 

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pete said:
Big is our best run blocker, Shelton is the best pass blocker. I thought Green's offense tended to run more to the left(weak) side and that is why Big is playing LT. If you put Shelton back at LT, how much would that impact the ability to run? Shelton has never been an overpowering run blocker.

The Cards haven't been able to run the ball consistently in years. Obviously neither Shelton nor Davis has made much of an impact on the offense. Or could it be that the Cards have not had a decent RB since Murrell in 1998?

Hard to believe that the Cards have not had a running back average over 70 yards per game rushing since 1984.
 

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The Cards haven't been able to run the ball consistently in years. Obviously neither Shelton nor Davis has made much of an impact on the offense. Or could it be that the Cards have not had a decent RB since Murrell in 1998?

Hard to believe that the Cards have not had a running back average over 70 yards per game rushing since 1984.

How can you have a 6'6"-380 pound first round lineman and fail to get 3 yards running behind him?
 

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BuckeyeCardinal said:
How can you have a 6'6"-380 pound first round lineman and fail to get 3 yards running behind him?

Even worse. How can you have TWO 6'6" 330lb+ first round linemen and fail to get 3 yards running behind them?

Because you suck as a running back that's why.
 

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The Cards haven't been able to run the ball consistently in years. Obviously neither Shelton nor Davis has made much of an impact on the offense. Or could it be that the Cards have not had a decent RB since Murrell in 1998?

Hard to believe that the Cards have not had a running back average over 70 yards per game rushing since 1984.

I would take Emmitt Smith in his current state over the 98 version of Murrell in a heartbeat. All Murrell did 90% of the time was dance behind the line and then get sacked for a loss. How he ever ran for 1000 yards here is a real puzzler.

Davis is making an impact in the running game. Smith is on pace for over 1000 yards and most of those yards have been gained over the left side of the line. Shelton is playing well too. They are just not all playing well at the same time and they are still making too many stupid penalties, most of which have been on Davis.
 

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pete said:
I would take Emmitt Smith in his current state over the 98 version of Murrell in a heartbeat. All Murrell did 90% of the time was dance behind the line and then get sacked for a loss. How he ever ran for 1000 yards here is a real puzzler.

Davis is making an impact in the running game. Smith is on pace for over 1000 yards and most of those yards have been gained over the left side of the line. Shelton is playing well too. They are just not all playing well at the same time and they are still making too many stupid penalties, most of which have been on Davis.

Good points... and it seems to me, that we forget that our three inside offensive lineman are virtual rookies. It's going to take a bit of time for them to show their true worth.
 

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pete said:
I would take Emmitt Smith in his current state over the 98 version of Murrell in a heartbeat. All Murrell did 90% of the time was dance behind the line and then get sacked for a loss. How he ever ran for 1000 yards here is a real puzzler.

Davis is making an impact in the running game. Smith is on pace for over 1000 yards and most of those yards have been gained over the left side of the line. Shelton is playing well too. They are just not all playing well at the same time and they are still making too many stupid penalties, most of which have been on Davis.

Murrell did manage to dance into the endzone 8 times in '98 and he rushed for over 1000 the two previous years with the Jets. However your comment did make me think about something. "Dancing behind the line and then getting tackled for a loss" was the same thing that Leland McElroy and Thomas Jones were accused of in Arizona. The common denominator was Johnny Roland as running backs coach. Could explain how the Cards have gone from 29th in rushing in 2003 to 16th this season.
 
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Murrell did manage to dance into the endzone 8 times in '98 and he rushed for over 1000 the two previous years with the Jets. However your comment did make me think about something. "Dancing behind the line and then getting tackled for a loss" was the same thing that Leland McElroy and Thomas Jones were accused of in Arizona. The common denominator was Johnny Roland as running backs coach. Could explain how the Cards have gone from 29th in rushing in 2003 to 16th this season.

Where is Johnny Roland coaching now.... and how are his running backs doing?
 

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Crazy Canuck said:
Where is Johnny Roland coaching now.... and how are his running backs doing?

He's in Green Bay. The Packers are ranked 13th in rushing offense compared to a #3 finish last season.
 
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