Give Amare MAX or let him walk>

[SirStefan32]

His playoffs #'s have always looked good though offensively. Also, looking at career averages is not exactly painting the picture his last couple years here.

Playoffs:

07-08
Pts. 23.2, Reb 9.0

09-10
Pts 22.2, Reb 6.7

His two beast playoffs were in 04-05 and 06-07. Having said that even though he rebounded better those years, Amare's defense was always in question as long as he was a Sun.

So, even if Amare's #'s compared offensively, the two areas we needed Amare to step up in the past couple seasons (Rebounding and defense) he just didn't. Defense has always been an issue with him.

You can't even mention Amare in the same category as KG when it comes to defense.

Exactly!

 

[slinslin]

And you can't mention KG in the same category as Amare when it comes to scoring.

Newscheck you won't get perfect players. Maybe the Suns should have tried to surround Amare with better defensive players instead of adding more and more offensive players starting with Nash tbh.

Had the Suns kept their capspace and their pick they could have had Iguodala and Chris Paul or Deron Williams instead of Nash plus a shitload of capspace to sign a center and re-sign Joe Johnson.

People won't agree but the Suns would have been better off had they tanked one more season instead of signing Nash.

Paul
Joe Johnson
Shawn Marion
Amare Stoudemire
10M$ free agent center - eg Camby
6th man Andre Iguodala

That lineup would have easily won 60+ games every single season.

 

[slinslin]

Oh f Amare he only averaged 23/9 against the Spurs that year, how pathetic against the best defensive team in the league, how dare he does that..
Last year was the only season that Amare was not great in the playoffs and to be fair we were severely outmached in size against the Blazers, Spurs and Lakers it is no surprise Amare was not as dominant in that run.

Basically Amare had to go up against Aldridge plus Camby camping under the hoop all the time, then against Duncan in a sweep and then again Pau Gasol with Bynum under the hoop or Odom.. We didn't even have Lopez until the Lakers series.

 

[Covert Rain]

And you can't mention KG in the same category as Amare when it comes to scoring.

And guess which one historically matters when it comes to titles??? Not sure what your point is. KG is better where it counts.

Newscheck you won't get perfect players. Maybe the Suns should have tried to surround Amare with better defensive players instead of adding more and more offensive players starting with Nash tbh.

Who said there are perfect players? However given the choice between a dominate defensive PF and an offensive one you hands down take the defensive one. Period.

I do agree on your point that the Suns could have tried to replace him with better defensive talent and the Suns could have held onto him. That was just never going to happen as long as Nash was here.

Had the Suns kept their capspace and their pick they could have had Iguodala and Chris Paul or Deron Williams instead of Nash plus a shitload of capspace to sign a center and re-sign Joe Johnson.

Hindsight is 20/20. You had no idea which players were going to pan out or which players would have been available at your pick. If they had let Nash go and ended up with Iguodala...this Suns would struggled. You would have had no PG to run this team and the team defense would have been highly questionable still.

Heck if I could go back in every draft in time we could have said well if the Suns drafted his person or that person......it's easy to do that after the fact.

Personally, I think the Suns should do everything in their power to get Chris Paul should he want out of NO. I would trade away anything and everything on the roster to get that guy.

 

[slinslin]

Hindsight is 20/20. You had no idea which players were going to pan out or which players would have been available at your pick. If they had let Nash go and ended up with Iguodala...this Suns would struggled. You would have had no PG to run this team and the team defense would have been highly questionable still.

Uh yeah that is the point! They could have taken Iguodala and would have sucked for a year while everyone and their mother knew Chris Paul would come out and Deron Williams was also on the radar.

Even if they were not bad enough to get in the top 5 they would have had a high lottery pick and a shitload of assets to move up the few spots to secure a PG.

Heck they could have gotten "lucky" and gotten Bogut if you consider that better than Paul or Williams but he would have been a perfect center to have next to Amare.
The Suns are lacking patience to build a title winner. Signing Nash was a good move, but they could have done better if you look at it and it is not even unrealistic scenario.

I mean the key move that cost us a championship was trading the #7 pick so they could offer Quentin Richardson more money. That started a chain reaction of trading picks to get out of contracts (Q/KT )and was utterly stupid to give up that high of a pick for just a future first rounder that ended up outside the lottery.

They could have drafted Iguodala, signed Nash and some center for MLE money or slight more. That #7 pick for the future Bulls first round easily might be the worst trade in Suns history.

 

[Covert Rain]

Uh yeah that is the point! They could have taken Iguodala and would have sucked for a year while everyone and their mother knew Chris Paul would come out and Deron Williams was also on the radar.

Even if they were not bad enough to get in the top 5 they would have had a high lottery pick and a shitload of assets to move up the few spots to secure a PG.

So, first off "tanking" the season would never had been an option with the roster and the organization. So, that was a pipe dream. Second, the chances of you being in a position to draft one of those players was not likely says the odds.

Considering how many teams look for PGs, this team could have potentially searched years for a PG should they not have been able to get one in the draft.

There is alot of "what ifs" here. There is no guarantee this team taking that direction wouldn't be stuck in a perpetual draft cycle to this day.

 

[sunsfan88]

YeaYea

Signing Amare would have crippled the Suns for years.

Yea because not signing him has not done that to our franchise?

No team is ever going to win anything with Stoudemire as their best player.

OK what's your point? Resigning Amare here would have got superstar players like Melo, CP3 or D-Will here.

Maybe Amare can't win anything by himself but that doesn't mean he can't do it with some good help. In his defense, not even Kobe could win anything by himself.

There's no way you can justify not resigning Amare.

 

[slinslin]

PGs dont win championships.

Chris Paul went #4, Deron Williams #3, Raymond Felton #5 and Andrew Bogut #1.

Tanking that year would have been a sure thing especially given the fact that the Suns would have had like 15M$ caproom, a young roster of Amare, Iguodala, Johnson and Marion and a top 7 pick for sure. They were at #7 without tanking the year before.

Trading #7 for just a future pick was just absolutely ********. Without any stipulations for what happens if the Bulls made the playoffs.