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[Cbus cardsfan]

Keep in mind that Reddick’s last season was better than any Dupree season despite Dupree playing with a fantastic DL group/Watt while this was Reddick’s first full year playing OLB. Reddick is closer to Shaq Barrett than he is Bud Dupree.

Reddick is closer to Vic Beasley.

But, like I said before, you’re funny.

You have strong convictions and stick to them, no matter how wrong they are.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Whoever wrote that is just wrong on Dupree. We get about every Steelers game here and I’ve seen a lot of them. Reddick is just not as good as Dupree, at least up to this point.

maybe going forward, Reddick will be better but, watching the games, it’s not the case so far.

I’ll let you read the analysis:

Bud Dupree

Expected sacks: 6.8
Actual sacks: 8.0

Consider me a Dupree skeptic. Though he recorded eight sacks in 11 games before suffering a torn ACL last season, no player averaged a higher sack expectation per play than Dupree. When he was on the field, it was all set up perfectly for him.

He played in the blitz-heavy Steelers defense, and his teammates averaged 0.42 pass rush wins per pass rush, more than for any other edge rusher. The quarterbacks Dupree faced also averaged a sack rate of more than 7%, higher than for any other qualifying pass-rusher. And 17% of his pass rushes came on third- or fourth-and-long, an above-average rate.

Dupree's win rate info is also concerning. He ranked one spot ahead of Floyd -- 35th out of 46 pass-rushers. Those are two worrying signs for teams considering signing Dupree, as he failed to beat his blocker within 2.5 seconds with regularity, and though he beat his sacks expectation, his sacks and sack rate were buoyed by his opportunity and situation in Pittsburgh.

The verdict: I'm wary of Dupree's ability to produce at the same levels outside of his favorable situation with the Steelers


Hassan Reddick

Expected sacks: 6.5
Actual sacks: 12.5

The quality of Reddick's pass-rush chances were strong, mostly because of a high average of blitzers on his pass rushes and a high rate of third- and fourth-and-long attempts. But he recorded only 353 non-screen pass rushes, and that held down his expectation. That means that Reddick's high sack total was impressive because it overcame few chances, but his relatively high sack rate was buoyed by favorable circumstances.

His pass rush win rate was only average, and we have limited history seeing him as an edge rusher.

The verdict: Reddick's sack total underrates his production, but his sack rate overrates it. He's a riskier free-agent option because of the smaller sample, but there's upside there.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/st...ck-steals-their-expected-sacks-totals-tell-us


Seth Walder, an analytics guy

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

That’s an opinion piece. Means no more than me or you liking a player.

when it starts out as I’m skeptical, that should tell you something.

I can use stats/analytics to support my position too. As I did with PpG.

I think you’ll be hard-pressed to find anyone who thinks Reddick is better than Dupree. That’s pre-injury though.

Definitely concerns about the ACL.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That’s an opinion piece. Means no more than me or you liking a player.

when it starts out as I’m skeptical, that should tell you something.

I can use stats/analytics to support my position too. As I did with PpG.

I think you’ll be hard-pressed to find anyone who thinks Reddick is better than Dupree. That’s pre-injury though.

Definitely concerns about the ACL.

You can ignore it. I think it’s built on some sound principles incorporating relevant factors. Is it the be all to end all? No. I’ve never been a “just analytics” guy. But neither do I dismiss them out of hand.