Fine, I'm fine with Francis Mauigoa

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Well yeah but there isn’t another RB. Thats why Love is the consensus top RB.

This whole discussion seems kind of silly to me. Monti can’t find a trade partner or use whatever draft capital created in a trade to get better. Joe Thomas isn’t declaring for the 2026 NFL draft; you’re limited to the available prospects.

I think you get more value by drafting an OL.
Thomas would still likely have outplayed Williams last season.
 

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He says Beck is the most NFL ready QB in the draft, said Simpson is destined to be a backup/spot starter and that Mendoza will be a failure for team drafting him in 1st round.

Interesting.
Ironically that might be true. Beck is decent in non-pressure situations especially if he only has to throw short. His mechanics are decent and his release is quick enough. However, if you hope to win I wouldn’t pick him.
 

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This is an interesting eval of Mauigoa from a former Jets scout during the Parcells era. Addresses the guard concerns, but ultimately believes he will be a effective OT in the NFL. That said, this evaluator thinks Love is a HOF lock.

I've started reading this guy because he was the only one I've found that nailed the MHJ eval pre-draft

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He has some out there takes, like rating Carson Beck >>> Mendoza. But he also gave Darius Robinson a 3rd round grade.
That dude REALLY dislikes Mendoza. I've heard whispers of the same thing this scout is saying about the RPOs and reading defenses at all.
 

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It's kind of exposing how silly your objection to Mauigoa based on him not being the "consensus" best OT. Love wouldn't be the "consensus" if there was another RB worth it.
IMO unless you had Bijan, Gibbs, or Jeanty coming in, he'd still be the consensus. Like, I love Omarion Hampton, but Hampton wouldn't even be in consideration for top RB in this draft. He'd go higher since it's a bad draft, but still.
 

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IMO unless you had Bijan, Gibbs, or Jeanty coming in, he'd still be the consensus. Like, I love Omarion Hampton, but Hampton wouldn't even be in consideration for top RB in this draft. He'd go higher since it's a bad draft, but still.
Hampton is actually my kind of back LOL. I like power backs and Hampton has some power.

But you're basically proving my point, because you're first comment saying all of those guys are better...
 

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Hampton is actually my kind of back LOL. I like power backs and Hampton has some power.

But you're basically proving my point, because you're first comment saying all of those guys are better...
As of right now, all three of them have put more on the field than Hampton, unfortunately. He only played a bit and was out most of the season due to injury.

I'm not saying those guys are "better" necessarily, I'm saying they'd have to be in this draft to be in the conversation for the top back, and that we'd be harshly debating it. I think Love is in their tier.
 

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I think Love is a marginally better prospect than Jeanty due to his size. I don't think either back is as good as I thought Barkley and CMC were. I think Bijan was better. Better than Gibbs.

I haven't taken a deep look into Love because I didn't think he was an option for AZ. As I have said...I am ok with Love, but I just don't think he will have the impact people feel he will and it's a bad resource usage IMO.
 

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I think Love is a marginally better prospect than Jeanty due to his size. I don't think either back is as good as I thought Barkley and CMC were. I think Bijan was better. Better than Gibbs.

I haven't taken a deep look into Love because I didn't think he was an option for AZ. As I have said...I am ok with Love, but I just don't think he will have the impact people feel he will and it's a bad resource usage IMO.
I will admit, he looks like he could be a real special back. He's just so quick, fast, elusive and hard to tackle. He's not a pile mover, but he's strong. His really special trait is his ability to slide off tacklers, he's incredibly slippery, guys like also tend to avoid injury as well.

I'm really torn. I think Bailey is going to be a multi time Pro Bowler (unless he's a jerk), but I will contest that Love might be the single best player in this draft. Mendoza does have some bust factor because he doesn't show NFL QB play on film, but other QBs have been in the same situation and ended up being good.

I'm with you that a safety isn't worth a #3 unless its an all time great. I tend to want Mauigoa because I think he's going to be good and I think he's a really safe pick who makes the entire offense better.
 

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And then the Bengals WR did a flip over the Cards DB to score.

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I was about to post the same thing. But it was D-waste that he flipped over wasn't it,? Oh well we did smoke some good cigars before that game. We had a pretty good night the night before the game. That was the first game after my son turned 21 so he was able to have few (legally).
 

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I will admit, he looks like he could be a real special back. He's just so quick, fast, elusive and hard to tackle. He's not a pile mover, but he's strong. His really special trait is his ability to slide off tacklers, he's incredibly slippery, guys like also tend to avoid injury as well.

I'm really torn. I think Bailey is going to be a multi time Pro Bowler (unless he's a jerk), but I will contest that Love might be the single best player in this draft. Mendoza does have some bust factor because he doesn't show NFL QB play on film, but other QBs have been in the same situation and ended up being good.
I'm happy we at least got to this point on Love, and I agree on Bailey. Mendoza's not that thrilling to me, but scarcity makes him well worth it. I think he'll be a good NFL QB. I can see him operating in maybe the Jordan Love mold, which is still a very good, but not completely elite QB yet.

Did you happen to see we invited Love for a top 30 visit?
 

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I love Larry Legend and am thrilled we had him. I do often wonder about a what if. I wanted Big Ben that year. Would he have succeeded in the desert and reached the highs he did?
Big Ben and Mike would have gotten along like peas and carrots. Both big D bags.
 

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Well yeah but there isn’t another RB. Thats why Love is the consensus top RB.

This whole discussion seems kind of silly to me. Monti can’t find a trade partner or use whatever draft capital created in a trade to get better. Joe Thomas isn’t declaring for the 2026 NFL draft; you’re limited to the available prospects.

I think you get more value by drafting an OL.
Love is the top RB prospect since Bijan. Jeanty played in the MWC and didn’t test.
 

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I would happily take Love over Reese. Im getting Isiah Simmons flashbacks
Reese is not Simmons. He actually hits people and they move when he hits them.
Styles is Simmons vibes.
 

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Reese is not Simmons. He actually hits people and they move when he hits them.
Styles is Simmons vibes.
Do you think Reese can be an elite NFL player? I've been considering the possibility more, and I have to say, few players can move the way he does.
 

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Great...Red Chip OT with Marginal physical ability,....and a bad back already, in college.

Yeah...that locks him up for Monti's pick IN THE TOP THREE!!!
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing sounds just like a cardinal pick.

Draft a right tackle at number three overall who already has back issues at 20 years old…. Wooohoooo
 

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Someone has to want to trade up
Not only that, I don't want to get pennies on the dollar for trading back. Even the potentially proposed move with Dallas for 12 and 20 kinda has me going... "okay, I guess?"

Making that move to end up with Fano and Ty Simpson or similar doesn't really inspire me. Sounds like a recipe for Monti losing his job.

I'm trying to imagine a more palatable trade-back scenario, like giving Washington our 3rd for them to get Love while we snag a 2027 1st and picks this year, but even then I'm imagining Love being a difference maker like our trade with the Texans, and suddenly we're looking at a pick in the mid-20s for the privilege of getting to take Mauigoa 6 picks later.
 
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