Federal documents detail sweeping potential NCAA violations involving high-profile players, schools

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    Looking forward to the concrete evidence Gatto's attorney has on Arizona indicating that such an offer was made to Little. Right now, it sounds like third-party hearsay. Appears that the Gatto defense is to burn basketball to the ground.
     
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    I thin it's obvious their intent is to show that everyone is corrupt, everyone knew what was going on including the schools, so there are no victims. If there are no victims, then you can't convict Gatto of a federal crime. He can't have defrauded schools by paying players so they were technically ineligible, if the schools already knew the kids were getting paid. That seems to be their angle, none of them are taking plea deals they're all going to argue that the schools knew, were involved in it, so there was no fraud, there is no victim, and thus no crime.

    The FBI story stuff we've seen so far alleged that 2 3rd parties(shoe companies) were in a bidding war over Little, nowhere in it did it say Miami and Arizona were offering him money. Now the assumption is the offers were to steer so it then is up to the NCAA to decide if the schools are also to blame or not. Little was going to Arizona before this story broke, so the clear indication is if Augustine was seeking money to send his star AAU player to a school, that someone offered him 150K on behalf of Arizona. Gatto apparently offered him money to go to Miami but it seems pretty unlikely he can PROVE that was competing with another offer. It's not like they send these kids written offer letters we will give you 150K plus stock options to sign with us, that stuff is all going to be done under the table. Augustine pocketed the money he admitted it, so it will be interesting to see who he got it from, Adidas(Gatto) or Nike. Based on the belief the kid was going to Arizona, you would assume he got paid by Nike, but we've never actually seen that stated as fact.

    Both Zion Williamson and Taeshon Cherry are named as people of interest, as is Ayton. My first pass would be Ayton is on there because of Kansas not Arizona, his most obvious connection to Gatto and Adidas would be that for a long time everyone thought KU was the only school recruiting him. That doesn't mean Adidas offered to pay him on behalf of Kansas but it's the most likely reason IMO that he's on the list. Kansas recruited Zion too so maybe that's his connection to gatto? I don't think they recruited Cherry, and he was going to USC(Nike) until this all happened but presumably at some point Gatto and Adidas were competing for him and that's why he's on the list. Or he could just be on the list as a here is another kid who was getting paid see how widespread it is, with no connection at all to Gatto, and that could be the case for Ayton and Zion too, here are 2 more high profile kids who were going to get paid everyone does it not just Adidas.

    FWIW the lawyer said they did have proof but he didn't say for which claims. Based on the opening statement one would assume they have proof Oregon offered Bowen's dad cash because they opened with that bombshell.
     
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    Gassnola testified today that Gatto told him Bill Self personally called Gatto and thanked him when Silivo DeSousa committed to Kansas. And yet they are all still insisting Kansas and Self knew nothing about Adidas and paying kids. So what exactly was Self saying thank you for, what exactly did he think Gatto did that helped him get DeSousa? I assume that's what's going to be brought up today what exactly was he thanking you for.
     
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    Self on tape saying that he's happy with the deal with Adidas, and essentially saying they do for Kansas what Nike does for Duke and UNC, and then Gassnola adds "and Kentucky too."

    And yet there's Coach K saying he knows nothing about cheating, thinks college hoops is largely clean, the amount of cheating is minute.

    I think he forgot Marvin Bagley played for him last year.
     
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    https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...ek-for-programs-involved-in-corruption-trial/

    There's a link to a 60 plus minute podcast with Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander of CBS discussing the whole case. Some funny stuff and some stuff that's not really been made public.

    Parrish goes into detail about how he's known Gassnola for 15 years and how when he was covering Memphis for the local news(think John Calipari), Gassnola was "around the program all the time". Gassnola was the guy who got them Antonio Anderson and that helped them with the key guys around Derrick Rose on that team that nearly won it all. He thinks Gassnola and Derek Kellogg(a Memphis assistant) were HS teammates and that was the angle. He said knowing what I knew then it doesn't surprise me at all Gassnola is in the situation he's in now, it was apparent then what his role was for Memphis(Calipari) and what he saw his career path as, exactly how it ended up.

    It also explains something that I've wondered about for awhile, the timing of WHEN the FBI story broke. I assumed they felt it was the right time, there was speculation they did it to give the NCAA time to suspend kids before last year, which obviously wasn't the case. In the end the reason makes perfect sense, that is that Merl Code was very openly saying on taped calls that he was concerned about this new player in the Dawkins and Sood stuff, and the new player was in fact an FBI undercover agent they knew as "Jeff." Code was even talking with Dawkins and Gatto and Gassnola in separate calls saying I'm researching the guy online, I don't find anything, we need to protect ourselves. There were even discussions about calling private detectives, or does someone really have connections to the government that could help us find out who this guy is? So the entire reason they went public was not they felt they were at a logical conclusion, but they were concerned some of the key players in the scheme were suspicious of the undercover agent, and it was just a matter of time before they might have figured it out. Gassnola even transferred some of his ill gotten cash to his longtime gf in advance, when asked why under oath, he said because I figured it was just a matter of time before you guys knocked on my door. That is Gassnola was suspicious, Code was suspicious and it was apparently in their opinion because Dawkins and some of the guys he was dealing with, were just too brazen about the cheating and were going to get caught.
     
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    If yuo listened to the CBS podcast they were guessing IF there's a tape with Miller and Dawkins discussing paying Ayton, it will come out today since Dawkins is in this trial. Both sides closed arguments today and nobody played such a tape. Their argument was it's not as relevant in the Book Richardson assistant coaches trial, the only way it's relevant is really if the DEFENSE wants to use it to defend Book, see even the head coach was involved my client is being thrown under the bus,

    But it's much more relevant for the defense in the Dawkins, Gatto and Code trial, see even a head coach was involved, the schools know, there are no victims here. So there was no such tape reveal today.

    Of course prior to that discussion they were talking about how Kansas and Arizona fans are the only people in the world paying attention to this trial that think their school is being exonerated not exposed. They did say look if you're a fan of a top 30 program don't gloat, your team is doing it too.
     
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    In statements not allowed to be entered into testimony due to lack of relevance to the case, there's a discussion between Kurtis Townsend of Kansas, and Merl Code where they talk about how Zion Williamson wants a job and housing for his family, and money, and Townsend said if that's what it tkaes to get him here for 10 monhs, we'll do it. And yet we're supposed to believe he went to Duke for free?
     
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    No doubt. If one big program goes down, they all need to go down.
     
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    The one thing that IMO works in Duke's favor here, beyond that Nike is not on trial Adidas is, is that his final 5 was Kansas and 4 Nike teams, DUke, UNC, Arizona and Kentucky. So you can make the argument that Nike agreed to pay whatever Adidas was going to pay(Money, job etc) but they let him pick which of 4 Nike schools he was going to. then if you're Coach K you can say see, we did nothing wrong, he picked Duke over 3 other schools that were all Nike, plus over Kansas. And of course there's no evidence money changed hands.

    But it again brings up the point either this entire case is about Dawkins and others bragging about money that never actually happened, or there are a bunch of kids out there who are being offered tons of money and are instead choosing to attend other schools for free, and yet these shoe companies and agents keep offering them money. You'd think they'd eventually learn the kids don't want the money.

    And yes that's sarcasm.
     

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