Does Thompson Qualify as a Sleeper

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Two years ago Josh Howard slid to the end of the first round and no one understood why the Mavs took him. Why did they need another mediocre wing man?

The similarities of Josh Howard and Dijon Thompson are interesting. Both guys were college seniors. Both guys were very good college players, but not hugely flashy. Neither were super athletes. Both were productive and got better every year.

Howard didn't fall as far as Thompson, but he could have fallen 10 to 12 more slots if the mocks had been accurate. As a pro,he's played better than most lottery picks.

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Dijon Thompson
Birthdate: 2/23/83
NBA Position: Shooting Guard
College: UCLA
Class: Senior
Ht: 6-8
Wt: 209
Hometown: Inglewood, CA
High School: Redondo Union
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Strengths: Versatile wing ... Can score in a variety of ways ... When he’s in a groove, he's nearly impossible to guard ... Good handle ... Stellar body control around the basket ... Finishes well ... Excellent form on his jumper. High release point, perfect rotation, and feather-soft touch ... Range out to college 3-point line and beyond ... Effective as a spot-up shooter ... Top-notch midrange game ... Rare combination of strength and finesse ... Exceptional rebounder (averages almost 9 boards a game) ... Steady ... Doesn’t get too up or too down on himself ... Great crunch-time nerves ... Solid leadership skills ... At 6'8", has great size for NBA 2-guard ... Long arms ... Outstanding post feede ... Very smart player. Makes the correct decision with the ball more often than not ... Commands respect from his teammates ... Hard worker ... Always looking to improve his all-around game ... Like fellow Pac-10 stud Ike Diogu, a “self-made” basketball player ... Durable... Good at the foul line... Doesn’t force many bad shots ... Let’s the game come to him... Great teammate.

Weaknesses: Needs a LOT of work on defense (to his credit, Dijon has improved from “atrocious” his sophomore/junior seasons to “passably mediocre” his senior season) ... Plays on his heels far too often ... Gambles for steals and gives up defensive positioning ... Vulnerable to back-cuts ... Picks up too many cheap fouls ... Has a tendency to let his concentration drift on the defensive end ... Not a freak athlete ... Most of his rebounds come as a result of superior positioning, not leaping ability ... Currently lacks the lateral footspeed needed to keep up with NBA 2-guards and small-forwards ... Occasionally falls in love with the 3-point line and doesn’t drive to the basket enough ... Not very good in transition (offensively and defensively) ... Far too hesitant going to his left ... Wwill need to adjust from being “the Man” at UCLA to being a role player on the next level ...

Notes: Will be 22 on draft day ... Has doubled his rebounding numbers from his junior (4.3 rpg) to senior (8.8 rpg) season. Participated in the 2004 pre-draft workouts. Go-to move is a left-to-right crossover dribble into a mid-range pull-up jumper.

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Dijon Thompson has a very nice overall offensive package, including length, athleticism, and scoring tools.

The most appealing thing about Thompson's game is his ability to create his own shot. While he's always shown the raw tools of a go-too scorer, this was the season that Thompson really began to make things happen for himself. He has a beautiful mid-range jumper that he will utilize in a variety of ways, whether it's a dribble-drive and pull-up, or backing his man down and turning around from 15 feet. He also uses his length to float the ball into the basket a bit closer to the rim.

Overall, Thompson just knows how to get his shot off, and is just as comfortable shooting the ball fading away or on the move as he is from a set position. This is the skill that could potentially make Thompson some money in the NBA.

Nonetheless, Thompson also has a very nice outside jumper. He will hit it when spotting up open on the wing, or with a man in his face. When he hits a few jumpers early, Thompson can really light it up, as a 39-point outburst on 13-18 shooting against Arizona State will attest. He can really put points up in a hurry this way, as he can be cold for large portions of a game but will then hit several in a row over the course of just a few plays.

Physically, Thompson has ideal size for an NBA wing, coming in at a fairly solid 6'7. He's not going to blow you away with a dynamite first step, but he is very crafty off the dribble and has that smooth athleticism that many great scorers utilize. Given his length, he certainly has the athletic tools to get by in the NBA.

While Thompson has often been derided for a lack of focus and effort (especially on the defensive end), this is an area where he has dramatically improved. Last season's attempt to enter the draft didn't go so well, and Thompson must have taken it to heart. As one of the few seniors on the team and one of the last remnants of the Steve Lavin era, Thompson picked up his consistency and intensity on both ends of the floor this season, and was a veteran leader on an NCAA tournament team. Not many people would have expected that from Thompson coming into the year.

One area where this really shows up is his rebounding, where he went from averaging 4.9 per game to 8.3 per game in roughly the same amount of playing time. While he can be considering anything but a good defender, Thompson at least put it some effort on that end of the floor as well.

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While Thompson's strengths are clearly focused on offensive aspects of the game, Thompson's weaknesses come into play mostly on defense. There also remain some questions about Thompson's mentality, as players with superb raw scoring skills aren't tough to find in the league.

Thompson really struggles as a defender. And while it's doubtful that much of this has to do with his physical attributes, it is very doubtful as to whether he will ever be able to guard NBA-level wings with any sort of success.

Thompson has never been an aggressive, physical defender. That's ok, but he has never put in the basic effort needed to play even passable defense. While that changed a bit this season, Thompson was still caught with his pants down too often on the defensive end, losing his man on screens or while defending the weak side, or blowing assignments by attempting steals. Obviously UCLA coach Ben Howland has helped him tremendously in this area, but he is still far behind the curve from a mentality standpoint.

Thompson's overall mentality is still a bit of a question mark as well. Three years of listless, underachieving play can't be wiped out all at once. He still tends to disappear at times, and doesn't always play aggressively.

So much of his game is based on hitting a jump shot within the first couple of attempts, that when he doesn't connect, the rest of the night can be rough.

Thompson will start forcing the ball, usually on outside jumpers, and not attack the basket. That ability to create his shot, perhaps his most attractive professional attribute is pretty much thrown out the window. His defensive effort will wane as well.

You see these inconsistencies in a lot of young players. Some are talented enough to overcome them, and some never do. Thompson's ability to score has to be attractive to NBA types, but the rest of his game remains quite raw, especially when we are talking about a college senior.

Thompson has improved a lot of these weaknesses dramatically over the past year, but he was completely off the draft radar heading into his senior season. One has to wonder if he had already been written off in the eyes of scouts.
 

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A bit of a stretch. Josh Howard was the Player of the Year in the ACC and could D up in college. Dijon is neither of those things.
 

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A bit of a stretch. Josh Howard was the Player of the Year in the ACC and could D up in college. Dijon is neither of those things.

not to mention Howard is much more athletic than Dijon. Dijon can play but you gotta question a scouting report that calls him a self made player who works really hard. How soon they forget, Dijon's junior year Howland very publicly benched him for Brian Morrison saying that Dijon wasn't playing good enough defense, wasn't giving enough effort, and wasn't intense enough. Anybody who's seen Morrison play understands the slight that was to Dijon. Luckily for DT, Morrison got hurt in practice and Dijon never actually missed a start because of that.

Basically what woke Dijon up was going through the NBA draft stuff as a junior and hearing over and over, go back to school, listen to Howland, and see us next year. He made HUGE strides this year and I love the kid for it, but he was not always a hard worker. He was a guy who needed to be pushed but Lavin didn't do that, he was too busy slicking his hair back.
 

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Howard is more athletic and much more agressive than Thompson but Thompson seems to be a better, more consistent shooter.

Thompson reminded me of Calbert Cheaney as a calm, solid shooter/scorer who doesn't really do anything else.
 

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just to be optimistic... think about Damien Wilkins or Marquis Daniels. Both were recent undrafted, talented wings. Just making it into the draft doesn't say a whole lot but the fact the suns selected him might.
 

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Being in the Suns offense may make Dijon look better than he actually is, he'll probably be able to stop and pop for a lot of 3s. However, being a bad defender, playing in the Suns porous defense will expose him on that side of the ball.
 

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panfolk said:
Just making it into the draft doesn't say a whole lot but the fact the suns selected him might.
The fact that the Suns drafted him in the 2nd round tells me he won't do anything in the league. When's the last time a 2nd round Suns draft pick panned out for us?

Sorry, I watched a lot of Pac-10 ball and I don't see Dijon being a productive NBA player.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
When's the last time a 2nd round Suns draft pick panned out for us?

Its been a while my friend, but perhaps now its time for that trend to change. Here is a list of Suns 2nd round picks that went on to do well:

Stephen Jackson 1997
Richard Dumas 1991 (one year wonder)
Cedric Ceballos 1990
Andrew Lang 1988
Steve Kerr 1988
Jeff Hornaceck 1986

Its been a while. Looks like Cotton probably wouldve be the man making a lot of those picks. Maybe if BC can make a shrine to the great scruffy voiced one in the sky, he can make some better picks in the future.
 

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HooverDam said:
Its been a while my friend, but perhaps now its time for that trend to change. Here is a list of Suns 2nd round picks that went on to do well:

Stephen Jackson 1997
Richard Dumas 1991 (one year wonder)
Cedric Ceballos 1990
Andrew Lang 1988
Steve Kerr 1988
Jeff Hornaceck 1986

Its been a while. Looks like Cotton probably wouldve be the man making a lot of those picks. Maybe if BC can make a shrine to the great scruffy voiced one in the sky, he can make some better picks in the future.

I am still upset about Dumas. That kid had so much potential. Damn Drugs just mess people up so much. I saw him at LA Fitness a few years back and he still was really good. What a shame.
 

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Thompson is not only a sleeper, but more like a COMA pick! :D Noone had this guy on ANY team's radar! Right now, just getting picked by the Suns in the second round makes him successful!

I'm not knocking the guy because I am really high on this pick. I think he will have a surprise impact on the club if he shoots like he did at UCLA. He won't be a superstar, but could be a solid 5 to 10 point off the bench guy for us. Our bench scoring was just dismal last season. Any help we could get is a bonus! :thumbup:
 

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Here's what I don't understand. If the Phoenix Suns wanted a shooter who doesn't play much defense why didn't they take Kennedy Winston? The guy shot 46% from the field and 43% from the three last season for Alabama. I admit that I don't remember really watching either of these guys play, so it's not completely fair for me to question their reasoning. I'm just looking at the numbers and the scouting reports. The weaknesses on the scouting reports for both of these guys were almost the same.

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Dijon shot 37% from 3pt last year. Not exactly an imposing number considering how close the college 3pt line is. Fact of the matter is I can't think of one thing Thompson was great at in college.
 

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Joe Mama said:
Here's what I don't understand. If the Phoenix Suns wanted a shooter who doesn't play much defense why didn't they take Kennedy Winston? The guy shot 46% from the field and 43% from the three last season for Alabama. I admit that I don't remember really watching either of these guys play, so it's not completely fair for me to question their reasoning. I'm just looking at the numbers and the scouting reports. The weaknesses on the scouting reports for both of these guys were almost the same.

Joe

Yeah, but Dijon Thompson has experience playing PF. :p


I think the Suns' real 'sleeper' was waked up a little early:

Insiders say new Timberwolves talent evaluator Rex Chapman influenced the team's second-round draft pick of guard Bracey Wright of Indiana.


Dijon is the capper on the Steve Lavin legacy, another good-but-not-great college wing who didn't improve at all in his first three years. Unless he was on one of his streaks, he didn't stand out at all, even last year.

I would compare Dijon's game in college to Harold Minor's. He's like a poor man's Minor without the dunks.
 

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I still can't believe Minnesota passed on Gerald Green and Danny Granger to take McCants. There are going to be a lot of teams upset they passed on those two guys.

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Joe Mama said:
I still can't believe Minnesota passed on Gerald Green and Danny Granger to take McCants. There are going to be a lot of teams upset they passed on those two guys.

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I expected Granger to drop because of position concerns--he looks like a true SF to me, not a SG/SF or SF/PF. I'm pretty sure that the Wolves passed on Granger because they needed a two and didn't think he could play there.

Gerald Green refused to work out for a lot of teams. Once he started to drop, he was going to keep falling until he got to a GM like Ainge who was willing to take him sight unseen. I agree, though, that the Wolves will be kicking themselves for letting him get by.
 

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Thompson should pretty much only be gauged by his play last season, rather than seasons before, and that can only be blamed on Steve Lavin, who couldn't coach a pee wee league team.
 

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Chaplin said:
Thompson should pretty much only be gauged by his play last season, rather than seasons before, and that can only be blamed on Steve Lavin, who couldn't coach a pee wee league team.
But Lavin had the cool hair! :D
 

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Chaplin said:
Thompson should pretty much only be gauged by his play last season, rather than seasons before, and that can only be blamed on Steve Lavin, who couldn't coach a pee wee league team.
Howland's been there two years, but you still got a point.
 

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Chaplin said:
Thompson should pretty much only be gauged by his play last season, rather than seasons before, and that can only be blamed on Steve Lavin, who couldn't coach a pee wee league team.


hmm, i don't agree. and i say this because the other three seasons DID happen. dantoni doesn't seem like the ben howland, in your face, forceful type coach that dijon seems to need to produce at his senior year level. that's why those other three years seem to matter to me.

regardless, all this talk is as fruitless as all our draft conjecture 'cuz this dude ain't gonna contribute crap to this team. he's filler.
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
hmm, i don't agree. and i say this because the other three seasons DID happen. dantoni doesn't seem like the ben howland, in your face, forceful type coach that dijon seems to need to produce at his senior year level. that's why those other three years seem to matter to me.

regardless, all this talk is as fruitless as all our draft conjecture 'cuz this dude ain't gonna contribute crap to this team. he's filler.
I gotta agree with Chap. I think this guy is your prototypical late bloomer. I am only looking for 5 ppg off the bench from this guy and I think that would be good! Anything else is gravy!
 

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here what i see from dijonaise.............best case scenario the guy works on his game very intensely (he is a second round pick so he will be playing for a big $$ contract in two years) and pushs himself to make an impact in the NBA. he suns are a great fit for him (but unless you are jake tsakalidas, who doesnt play better in an up tempo team) He actually has a similar skill set to rip hamilton (cept rip is two time the worker). Thats a bit of a reach but i do think if he realizes the dearth of mid range shooters in the NBA and how valuable they can be he will really work on that part of his game. The more likely comparison is that we will get a player of Casy Jacobsons caliber who can come off the bench half way through next season and give us 5-8 ppg. Its also quite likely that he just takes the paycheck buys a house and car and lets his career evaporate. You can never tell when it comes to motivation for these guys......
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
hmm, i don't agree. and i say this because the other three seasons DID happen. dantoni doesn't seem like the ben howland, in your face, forceful type coach that dijon seems to need to produce at his senior year level. that's why those other three years seem to matter to me.

regardless, all this talk is as fruitless as all our draft conjecture 'cuz this dude ain't gonna contribute crap to this team. he's filler.

In college, coaching is extremely important, in a lot of ways, more important than in the NBA. If a kid comes to college as a freshman and is coached horribly for 2 years, that WILL affect how he plays. Sure, he'll share some blame, but Lavin really did hurt the kid--I think more than you realize.
 

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Yuma said:
I gotta agree with Chap. I think this guy is your prototypical late bloomer. I am only looking for 5 ppg off the bench from this guy and I think that would be good! Anything else is gravy!
Yuma, weren't you the guy pegging Sausage King as the next Dennis Rodman and hoping for 10 boards per game for that scrub? Some of you need to put down the mustard flavored koolade as Thompson will likely only be the 12th man. If JJ is resigned and say we get Finley and Raja Bell as the Republic says, where is Thompson going to get the minutes to get 5 ppg?
 
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