Did anyone hear Jurecki this morning say......

[Stronso]

that Emmitt Thomas and Colletto are not coming here due to money? MJ said they are not taking the jobs due to the fact that what they were offered was not in line for pay of a OC and DC around the league. This, if true, really pisses me off and leads me to think that stuff really is not changing.

After the experience of the crappy coaching the last few years dont' ya think the B's have learned that you need to get great coaches? In order to get great coaches you have to PAY them. I mean it is so basic I am just left to shake my head.....This is a total buzzkill

 

[vince56]

Yeah stronso, I heard that too. Sounded more like heresay than anything else. Jurecki stated it somewhat like "if they leave, is it about money?" It was unsettling to hear, that's for sure.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

Billy B has to recoup the dough he spent on Green doesn't he?

I can't say that I would be real disappointed if Colletto and Thomas didn't come here anyhow. I think they can do far better for choices, but if Mr. Bidwill is not willing to pay the going rate there is no telling what we will end up with as our respective coordinators.

Bummed enough with the word of Solomon being hired who was in charge of many piss-poor secondaries in Minnesota.

 

[40yearfan]

Stronso, I heard that too. What I got out of it is that MJ was speculating. He didn't know for sure, but said that was one of the possible reasons for them not taking the job. There could be other reasons like we don't even know if they were offered those jobs or if Green changed his mind.

 

[Bobcat]

Originally posted by DieHardFromMO
Billy B has to recoup the dough he spent on Green doesn't he?

I can't say that I would be real disappointed if Colletto and Thomas didn't come here anyhow. I think they can do far better for choices, but if Mr. Bidwill is not willing to pay the going rate there is no telling what we will end up with as our respective coordinators.

This is why MJ must go!!! He is so anti Mr. B. It has only been one week and he is already spreading rumors. MJ is more like the other MLB Insider we once had in this state, Pedro Gomez. Start a rumor and see how far it has legs.

Allan

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I just can't see that.Those positions are pretty much standard paying.Maybe those 2 asked for more thinking they could get more out of a desperate team.I mean we're not talking about millions of dollars here.Maybe thousands,but not enough to let someone walk over it.

 

[john h]

Originally posted by vince56
Yeah stronso, I heard that too. Sounded more like heresay than anything else. Jurecki stated it somewhat like "if they leave, is it about money?" It was unsettling to hear, that's for sure.

We were paying our HC Mack $900,000 and some Coordinators around the league make that much or more. It is going to be hard for the Bidwills to make that leap.

 

[Sandan]

I think very few corrdinators make that kind of money.

Who do you think is making $1,000,000+ as a coordinator ?

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by Stronso
that Emmitt Thomas and Colletto are not coming here due to money? This, if true, really pisses me off and leads me to think that stuff really is not changing.

This is a total buzzkill

Here is a portion of Darren Urban's update in the EVT:
http://eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=15712

The Cardinals and new coach Dennis Green had been granted permission to talk to Baltimore offensive line coach and former Arizona State offensive coordinator Jim Colletto about Arizona’s offensive coordinator job, but Colletto said Green cancelled the interview late last week because Green “wanted to go in a different direction.”

 

[CaptTurbo]

Re: Re: Did anyone hear Jurecki this morning say......

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
Here is a portion of Darren Urban's update in the EVT:
http://eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=15712

The Cardinals and new coach Dennis Green had been granted permission to talk to Baltimore offensive line coach and former Arizona State offensive coordinator Jim Colletto about Arizona’s offensive coordinator job, but Colletto said Green cancelled the interview late last week because Green “wanted to go in a different direction.”

I may be paranoid but it sounds like. "I wanted to sound like I was going to hire ood assistants but once I got the job Ill hire all my friends". More and more like a buddy plan to me.

But hey if we win I dont care who is assistant.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

Originally posted by nidan
I think very few corrdinators make that kind of money.

Who do you think is making $1,000,000+ as a coordinator ?

Monte Kiffin, Brad Childress and Jim Johnson to name three. I am sure there is most likely a few more.

 

[jstadvl]

OC

is from the Begals. Wells? Was their QB coach i think. Worked with Green before. Just a blip on the screen could have some of it wrong. But, nothing about money,.

 

[Sandan]

Originally posted by DieHardFromMO
Monte Kiffin, Brad Childress and Jim Johnson to name three. I am sure there is most likely a few more.

So, if you are correct that makes 3 out of 64, hardly a statisicaly significant number about 4.7%.

 

[Pariah]

Re: OC

Originally posted by jstadvl
is from the Begals. Wells? Was their QB coach i think. Worked with Green before. Just a blip on the screen could have some of it wrong. But, nothing about money,.

Alex Wood. He was the WR coach.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

Originally posted by nidan
So, if you are correct that makes 3 out of 64, hardly a statisicaly significant number about 4.7%.

Mike Zimmer the DC of the Cowboys just got $1million per year to reject the Cornhuskers.

There are more I am sure, if you spend just a couple minutes looking them up.

There is no question about my being correct. Jim Johnson just signed a 4-year deal for at least $4million and Kiffin signed for 3 years for over $5million.

 

[jstadvl]

my bad

my bad

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Jurecki did not say that Colletto was not coming because of money........in fact he repeated himself a couple of times that money was not a factor. He said that once the Bengals WR Coach was available Green wanted him more and an interview never even took place with Colletto. Come on guys lets not start trying to look for negetive crap, we usually get plenty without having to look!

Jurecki did say that we are not making huge offers, and that we have been making offers that are low , but that is not really all that suprising!

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by DieHardFromMO
Mike Zimmer the DC of the Cowboys just got $1million per year to reject the Cornhuskers.

There are more I am sure, if you spend just a couple minutes looking them up.

There is no question about my being correct. Jim Johnson just signed a 4-year deal for at least $4million and Kiffin signed for 3 years for over $5million.

Gregg Williams got $1 mil plus to DC the Redskins.

 

[Sandan]

So it turns out that this whole thread is based on an unsubstabiated rumor of what somebody thought they heard MJ say ?

According to DieHardCardFan the premise for this whole thread is incorrect.

Wonderful there are a handful of coordinators who earn more than $1M, big deal. One of the ones mentioned is in DC and Snyder doesn't seem to operater in the same finacial world as everybody else, the other is in Dallas where JJ has a similar attidude and a DC who was being tempted away from creating a stellar defence several years in a row. Big Deal.

None of this has any bearing on our situation, it appears DG is going after the people he wants. This is a silly thread as it is based on an incorrect initial premise, unless of course DieHardCardFan is wrong. But then I guess he must be, as the alternative is that the Cardinals front office is doing something right.

 

[JeffGollin]

Regarding Tampa Bay coaches, Gruden denied the Cards permission to interview one of their defensive position coaches (I don't remember the name - not Kiffin) to come in and be our DC.

Reading the tea leaves -

Dungy (who was orginally brought in to Minny under Dennis) was a Cover 2 defensive coach. Cover 2 was TB's system under Dungy (I'm not positive, but I think TB still operates under that system).

Ergo - you may expect the Cards to employ a lot of Cover 2. (I wonder how that might mesh with a lot of false looks, multiple defensive fronts and zone blitzes. I thought those required really good press/man-coverage guys).

 

[vince56]

Originally posted by JeffGollin

Ergo - you may expect the Cards to employ a lot of Cover 2.

So who want's to chip in to buy Adrian Wilson a compass, protractor, and some quick basic geometry/trig lessons?

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Ergo - you may expect the Cards to employ a lot of Cover 2. (I wonder how that might mesh with a lot of false looks, multiple defensive fronts and zone blitzes. I thought those required really good press/man-coverage guys).

Tampa's cover-2 uses a lot of disguised coverages, so I don't think that will be a huge problem.

Tampa's corners aren't all that great, either, in my opinion. I think that with guys with good instincts and quickness (but not necessarily speed) like Starks and Hill will be good in a Cover-2, because it doesn't ask you to run deep with wideouts. It should help players like Wilson and Jackson excel. It does place a lot of responsiblity on Ronnie Mac, though, and I don't think that he has the physical ability to cover and run that the Cover-2 scheme depends on, so he'd have to be replaced by either Darling or Hayes.

I was advocating for a Cover-2 base defense last season. I think that if we had a legitimate speed rusher on the corner, this could be a very good Cover-2 defense.

 

[Brighteyes]

From the St. Petersburg Times:

"Kiffin will earn slightly less than $1.7-million per season. In contrast, Philadelphia defensive coordinator Jim Johnson just signed a deal that averages $900,000. Kiffin had two years left on a contract that paid him about $850,000 per season, meaning the Bucs doubled his salary."

These are not salaries you pay someone as a rookie coordinator; these are high salaries being paid to top notch coordinators to keep them from taking Head Coaching jobs.

To get someone to take a lateral, i.e. a defensive coordinator to come to Arizona to be a defensive coordinator, you must get permission from the team to interview him (if he's still under contract).

 

[DieHardFromMO]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Regarding Tampa Bay coaches, Gruden denied the Cards permission to interview one of their defensive position coaches (I don't remember the name - not Kiffin) to come in and be our DC.

That would be Rod Marinelli their DL/Asst HC. Many teams have sought his services. Tampa Bay has denied teams including Indianapolis and NY Jets, from talking to him. However, Marienelli has only 1 year left on his contract with Tampa Bay. I think it is safe to say this is his last season with Tampa Bay as I believe I recall reading something the other day where he didn't seem to pleased with being denied the opportunity to be a defensive coordinator elsewhere.

 

[Bobcat]

Originally posted by DieHardCardFan
Jurecki did not say that Colletto was not coming because of money........in fact he repeated himself a couple of times that money was not a factor. He said that once the Bengals WR Coach was available Green wanted him more and an interview never even took place with Colletto. Come on guys lets not start trying to look for negetive crap, we usually get plenty without having to look!

Jurecki did say that we are not making huge offers, and that we have been making offers that are low , but that is not really all that suprising!

What station were you listening to both my wife and I heard Jurecki state that it was about the money for Colletto, but as a usual, Jurecki added his usual caviote(sp) to cover his ass. He said that it was just a rumor, and that the Cards were not hiring coaches fast enough for the Senior Bowl Week. The only negative thing this week has been Jurecki!!!


Allan