Devin White

[Red Bird]

If we were to trade down to about pick #4, what do you guys think about drafting Devin White? I've been high on this guy for awhile now, but after seeing that 40 time of 4.42, I want him even more. Super productive player in college as well. Is there something I'm missing here? What do you guys think?

 

[juza76]

Trade back to 4
Getting also 24 and 104 from raiders

Quinnen Williams or devin white at 4
nkeal harry at 24
Chris Lindstrom at 33
Brian Burns at 65

 

[TheCardFan]

Absolutely not. White is very athletic but sucks vs the run, lacks instincts, and is not an upgrade over Reddick.

 

[Red Bird]

Absolutely not. White is very athletic but sucks vs the run, lacks instincts, and is not an upgrade over Reddick.

Really? That's not what I saw when I watched LSU. Was doing some more research on him and a scouting report from WalterFootball literally had superb instincts and excellent run defender as his first two strengths.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019dwhite.php

 

[Finito]

Absolutely not. White is very athletic but sucks vs the run, lacks instincts, and is not an upgrade over Reddick.

Where do you get this from he’s pretty much regarded as the best LB in the country he’s mr all everything

And from what people say he’s a football savant and a great leader.

 

[TheCardFan]

Where do you get this from he’s pretty much regarded as the best LB in the country he’s mr all everything

And from what people say he’s a football savant and a great leader.

My eyes but I am no expert. Watch his games and tell which one he dominated like a top 10 pick (not stats but actual plays in a game). He makes plays but IMO, he is not an upgrade over Reddick.

 

[Cardiac]

Runs a 4.42 40 at the combine is a positive.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I love watching him shed blocks, I would take him as high as 3 if I could.

 

[Harry]

A good player but not the 4th best in this draft.

 

[TheCardFan]

I love watching him shed blocks, I would take him as high as 3 if I could.

But...but...he doesn't shed blocks. He runs around them if possible and that takes him away from negative yardage/TFL.

Think about this...Kevin Minter had more tackles, TFL, and sacks his last year at LSU than Devin White.

Devin is a freak athlete but he doesn't have the instincts to play ILB. He plays sideline to sideline but he is not effective vs the run (inside).

I know this is crazy but he is a clone of Reddick (at this point in his career) and not an upgrade over him.

 

[Cardiac]

A good player but not the 4th best in this draft.

Does this mean you are predicting a Cards trade back with the Raiders.

 

[JeffGollin]

If we were to trade down to about pick #4, what do you guys think about drafting Devin White? I've been high on this guy for awhile now, but after seeing that 40 time of 4.42, I want him even more. Super productive player in college as well. Is there something I'm missing here? What do you guys think?

Anyone care to compare White's skill-set to Reddick's?

I'd sure hate to waste a high pick on Reddick 2.0.

 

[kerouac9]

Absolutely not. White is very athletic but sucks vs the run, lacks instincts, and is not an upgrade over Reddick.

This is such a bad take it feels like it’s bending space and time. White may or may not be in the same class as Urlacher and Patrick Willis as a prospect, but Hassan Reddick is dogfood.

 

[TheCardFan]

K9- the White take in general or the Reddick part?

If White- feel free to find a game that makes your point. Actual performance...not stats.

If Reddick - we can agree to disagree. I am no Reddick fan and drafting White would be another wasted pick.

 

[Krangodnzr]

K9- the White take in general or the Reddick part?

If White- feel free to find a game that makes your point. Actual performance...not stats.

If Reddick - we can agree to disagree. I am no Reddick fan and drafting White would be another wasted pick.

Reddick played defensive end in college.

 

[WildBB]

Player Comparison: Jonathan Vilma. White reminds me of Vilma in his prime years with the Jets and Saints. Vilma was an excellent run defender and tackler while also being a thick linebacker who made plays in pass defense. Vilma (6-1, 230) and White are almost identical in size. Vilma went in the top 20 of the 2004 NFL Draft, and White could go top 20 in the 2019 NFL Draft.

NFL Matches: Oakland, Detroit, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh

Check back in the months to come as this scouting report will be updated with measurements, info from team sources, and more NFL matches based off what happens in free agency.

The Raiders and Lions are picking in the top 10, which could be too high for White as teams generally shy away from taking non-pass-rushing linebackers that high. However, White provide be an immediate upgrade to both teams because their linebackers really struggled in 2018. White would be a good scheme fit for either Oakland or Detroit.

The Bengals need linebacker help. It was a real weakness for them in 2018, and one has to wonder if injuries will cut short the career of Vontaze Burfict. White would make a lot of sense to Cincinnati in the first round of the 2019 NFL Draft.

Staying in the AFC North, Cleveland is another team who needs linebacker upgrades. Joe Schobert is a nice player, but the Browns need better linebackers around him. Pittsburgh also has to improve its inside linebackers, and White would be a steal for the Steelers at pick No. 20.


Read more: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019dwhite.php#ixzz5hANDQIaz

 

[TheCardFan]

Reddick played defensive end in college.

That is correct.

To restate my point - Devin White is not an upgrade over Hassan Reddick (i.e. not worthy of the Cardinals drafting him). He may be a good option for other teams (as a project) but we already have one that is almost as athletic with limited instincts.

White is better sideline to sideline.
White is slightly better vs the run.
White may be slightly better in coverage.

However, they are both undersized but athletic players that are lacking instincts.

My measuring stick is Luke Kuechly.

Devin White may be a top 10-15 pick this year, meaning he is 1 of the top 1-2 LB's in this draft (ranking wise).

However, that doesn't mean he is a great LB. He is one of the best LB's...this year.

Keep in mind, most first round draft picks do not live up to expectations.

 

[Finito]

That is correct.

To restate my point - Devin White is not an upgrade over Hassan Reddick (i.e. not worthy of the Cardinals drafting him). He may be a good option for other teams (as a project) but we already have one that is almost as athletic with limited instincts.

White is better sideline to sideline.
White is slightly better vs the run.
White may be slightly better in coverage.

However, they are both undersized but athletic players that are lacking instincts.

My measuring stick is Luke Kuechly.

Devin White may be a top 10-15 pick this year, meaning he is 1 of the top 1-2 LB's in this draft (ranking wise).

However, that doesn't mean he is a great LB. He is one of the best LB's...this year.

Keep in mind, most first round draft picks do not live up to expectations.

You cannot use Kuechly as a measuring stick dude. He’s a freak of nature he’s a once in a lifetime guy. Go look at what he did in school. You can’t compare other linebackers to a guy that you’ll probably never see again

 

[TheCardFan]

You cannot use Kuechly as a measuring stick dude. He’s a freak of nature he’s a once in a lifetime guy. Go look at what he did in school. You can’t compare other linebackers to a guy that you’ll probably never see again

I think my point was missed again.

You can compare a player to other college players being drafted or by the NFL ideal for the position. Too often we think the best OT, LB, or whatever should be an elite NFL player because they are ranked highly and get drafted in the top 10.

My original point (keep going back to it) was not about Kuechly, it was White vs Reddick. White doesn't represent an upgrade over Reddick to justify drafting him.

Let me show it in a different way:

Kuechly is a 10 (generational player)
White is a 6
Reddick is a 5

There isn't enough of a difference between Reddick and White to spend another top 10 pick on White.

 

[JeffGollin]

This is such a bad take it feels like it’s bending space and time. White may or may not be in the same class as Urlacher and Patrick Willis as a prospect, but Hassan Reddick is dogfood.

The reason I posed the question was that SK used precious draft currency on an inside LB and it's felt the dude hasn't lived up to expectations.

Apparently, the evaluation of ILB prospects is not a a Keim strong suit.

Now we have the opportunity to possibly trade down and finally fill a position of need with a talented player.

It doesn't seem out of bounds to ask how White compares to other ILB's (including a player Keim held in high esteem). As a franchise, we can ill afford to make key mistakes in this draft.

My question did not "assume" that White was or wasn't equal-to, better-than or worse than Reddick, but rather that we do due-diligence and, at least, explore the question.

 

[Russ Smith]

If we were to trade down to about pick #4, what do you guys think about drafting Devin White? I've been high on this guy for awhile now, but after seeing that 40 time of 4.42, I want him even more. Super productive player in college as well. Is there something I'm missing here? What do you guys think?

I watched very little college football this year but he's one guy from watching parts of 2 LSU games I think is WAY overrated. He's a great athlete but he seems to have no idea what he's doing at LB. He takes the wrong angle or hits the wrong hole over and over to me. He's the guy in basketball that looks like an elite defender but is always leaving the good shooter to help on the poor shooter or going under the screen on a good shooter. He just seems to me like he's a one speed guy and if he picks the wrong hole or angle he just takes himself out of the play

 

[JeffGollin]

Trade back to 4
Getting also 24 and 104 from raiders

Quinnen Williams or devin white at 4
nkeal harry at 24
Chris Lindstrom at 33
Brian Burns at 65

Based on what little I know to date...

I'll drink to that.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think my point was missed again.

You can compare a player to other college players being drafted or by the NFL ideal for the position. Too often we think the best OT, LB, or whatever should be an elite NFL player because they are ranked highly and get drafted in the top 10.

My original point (keep going back to it) was not about Kuechly, it was White vs Reddick. White doesn't represent an upgrade over Reddick to justify drafting him.

Let me show it in a different way:

Kuechly is a 10 (generational player)
White is a 6
Reddick is a 5

There isn't enough of a difference between Reddick and White to spend another top 10 pick on White.

I think you are:

1) overrating Reddick
2) underrating White

He is definitely an upgrade over any ILB on the team.