Devin Booker and Kendall Jenner?

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  1. cheesebeef

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    in that game Jordan scored 63, he took one of the best teams of all time into OT in the playoffs. That's elevating the team. Booker scored 70 against a mediocre Boston team and we lost in what was a blowout most of the game. So, Jordan was able to elevate his team against a much better team as opposed to what Booker did.
     
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    BC867 Long time Phoenician! Contributor

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    Devin is our superstar. And a potential NBA superstar, if he were even average at defense.

    But he has obviously not been able to lift us to playoff level, let alone a winning record.

    Granted, it is not his fault. But it is the fact! As long as it is, we are going into a second
    decade of stagnation.

    Trading Booker for a package to include a starting Power Forward and a young Point Guard
    would improve our chances of building a winner. And find a backup Power Forward and
    backup Center.

    And remove the temptation to play Booker out of position. And not have to run the Point
    or guard Point Guards and his constant injuries, which he himself has expressed. And still
    it has been announced that he will continue to be our backup Point Guard, as well as
    Shooting Guard, next season. Same old, same old.
     
  3. Superbone

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    It was a fact about Jordan too until he got the proper pieces around him.
     
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    Lets not start the Jordan comparisons again.

    Realistic comparisons at a similar age would be players like Tracy McGrady or Gilbert Arenas.

    He's can't yet carry a team, he has some real holes in his game, he is mostly a scorer, but he is getting better across the board with each passing season.
     
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    The team can only move forward in the next four years with Booker if we bring in an actual star/leader/franchise face and Booker is willing to take a backseat to him.

    TMac and Arenas are perfect examples of Booker. As long as their teams continued to build around them they were destined for mediocrity.

    I say we suck because of you guys because yall keep trying to polish a turd because its the best we have.
     
  6. Superbone

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    It wasn't meant as an ability comparison, obviously, as Jordan was the greatest ever. It was just an extreme example of how one player, no matter how good he is, can carry a team on his own. He needs help.

    Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
     
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    Devin Booker is not a "turd". He has superstar skills in terms of scoring, which leads to greater all-around expectations.
    He's not anywhere near a superstar in defense or running the Point. In the status of superstardom, he is one-dimensional.

    Having him "take a backseat" would be very difficult to pull off. Unless a player is in the twilight of his career. When you
    demote a player, especially your star player, it is always best (for him and the team) to give him a fresh start elsewhere,
    while bringing back talent in a trade.

    Keeping your star and demoting him is not just about him and the team. It involves the reaction of the Press and the fans.
    Especially in today's high tech world where the public knows every detail within minutes.

    Look at what it has done to running the country and States, which have become a spectator sport. In the old days, a lot
    of negotiating between the political parties was done behind the scenes. Now they are Hollywood spectacles, with details
    posted online, encouraging the public to become participants. And in sports as well. With advancements come side effects.
     
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    Good lord, he’s not one-dimensional.

    You keep pushing this narrative that he’s a terrible Point Guard and that simply isn’t the case. You have valid points about him tiring out when he has to play it, but I’ll submit he’s near the top if not the best SG in the league when talking about point guard capabilities, turnovers notwithstanding.
     
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    I'd say he's 2nd to Harden and no other SG is clearly ahead of him when it comes to their ability to slide over and play PG. In today's NBA you can't have guys that are pigeonholed into one position and the way BC tries to push it, you'd think Booker has regressed since he's been in the league since he's been asked to play more PG but Booker has only improved year after year.

    I think it's remarkable how well Booker has taken to playing PG since he wasn't a PG or even considered a combo guard when he came into the league. There is a reason his coaches like seeing him at PG. He's taken to it better than any player I can recall. Point to another player who wasn't viewed as a PG when they entered the league, didn't play PG in their rookie year, and didn't start seeing regular playing time at PG until their 3rd season and were capable of producing at the level Booker has. If he can do what he has out of necessity then it raises the question of what he can do with quality coaching and dedication, which is why all of his coaches with a clue have talked about developing that part of his game.
     
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    James Harden has played in 11 seasons while Devin Booker has played 5 seasons. When one looks at their career stats they are remarkably close.

    Based on the stats, I think Booker has the potential to be better than Harden. Booker is averaging slightly more assists in his 5th season.

    https://www.basketball-reference.co...+Booker&player_id2=bookede01&idx=bbr__players
     
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    Booker coming close to the floor raiser that Harden is would be a shocker. His impact stats are off the charts.
     
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    The eye test has shown that Devin is our best scorer, but plays the Point with the game on the line, and he is prone to turnovers.

    How could he not be? The way he has been used invites double- and triple-teaming.

    I'm trying to decipher your comment, ",,, he's near the top if not the best SG in league when talking about point guard capabilities."

    My narrative concerns the big picture. Spreading him thin reduces his potential as a Shooting Guard, while expecting him to play
    the same level as Point Guard, where he will never be a superstar.

    What's the proof? We're a losing team. And have been for too long. That's the fact! That is the situation.

    The Suns obsession with playing their best players out of position has not worked -- too many Point Guards to not enough Point
    Guards. Too many Small Forwards and too few durable Power Forwards. No legitimate backup Center for Ayton.

    High turnover of General Managers, Head Coaches and players. That doesn't build a winner. Obviously!

    I'd love to see Devin legitimately make the All Star team as one of the best scorers. But, even more, I'd like to see the Suns win.

    I'm not blaming any of this on Devin. I know he cares. He was quoted as saying that he would rather play Shooting Guard. Who
    are we, the fans, to disagree? ;)
     
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    I see you didn't even try to disagree with the one-dimensional thing. We don't need him to be a superstar point guard, and you act like that's ALL he's going to do. You deal in such black and whites and don't understand the evolution of the game. It's maddening.
     
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    I have to agree, he does not have the same killer instinct Jordan has.

    I think he will remain a second tier star, perhaps similar to McGrady.
     
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    I want to see all of Booker's minutes (and energy) on the court playing the position at which
    he excels -- Shooting Guard.

    With Point Guards playing the position at which they excel . . . and feeding our top scorer,
    as well as playing tight defense against opposing Point Guards.

    And discouraging the overwhelming amount of double- and triple-teams against Booker.

    Put your players in the best position to excel. Evolution hasn't changed that.

    The evidence? The Suns dismal decade playing guys out of position.

    Why defend the Suns' status quo when the status quo has sucked?

    See, this post isn't all black and white. It's red, too. :D (And green.)
     

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