Demeco Ryans

[Syracusecards]

Call me crazy, but I think giving up a 1st and 3rd rounder for this kid is worth it. He's been productive on a pretty bad defense and he's still young. You plug him into KD's old spot and our defense just got a whole lot better.

I'm not saying he's Ray Lewis, but knowing what you know now about Ray Ray, would you have given up a 1st and 3rd for him back then? I would have.

 

[BigDavis75]

I had thought they extended him, am I wrong on that?

 

[Hypothesis]

A first and a 3rd for Ray Lewis in his prime, yeah, I can see that...But Ryans is a far cry from being worth a 1st and a 3rd in my opinion.

 

[Syracusecards]

I had thought they extended him, am I wrong on that?

Hadn't heard that. I did some googling and checking and didn't see he'd been extended.

If he has, oops.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Houston isn't going to let him go...

 

[slinslin]

I'd rather give up a 1st and 3rd for getting McClain.

 

[BigDavis75]

Hadn't heard that. I did some googling and checking and didn't see he'd been extended.

If he has, oops.

Well in the case that he is only tendered, I think a first and third is too steep of a price. There are potentially three really good guys (Spikes, Weatherspoon, and McClain) that could be there when we pick and would cost a lot less.

 

[Syracusecards]

Well in the case that he is only tendered, I think a first and third is too steep of a price. There are potentially three really good guys (Spikes, Weatherspoon, and McClain) that could be there when we pick and would cost a lot less.

Key word being "potentially".

Ryans is a proven commodity on a team that he could have just shut it down but still played hard.

It's really almost a 2nd and 4th round pick. I think of some of the players we've drafted that are no longer on the team and it gives me the chills. That said, I know we're drafting a lot more wisely now, but still.

Personally, I'd give up our 1st and 3rd for the guy and give him a long term deal.

 

[WildBB]

I'd rather give up a 1st and 3rd for getting McClain.

He at least would be contract friendly for a while.

 

[cardsfanmd]

A first and a 3rd for Ray Lewis in his prime, yeah, I can see that...But Ryans is a far cry from being worth a 1st and a 3rd in my opinion.

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[Unsterblich856]

Teams don't tender players just so they can get some compensation when they leave. Texans will keep Demeco Ryans no matter what.

 

[BigDavis75]

Key word being "potentially".

Ryans is a proven commodity on a team that he could have just shut it down but still played hard.

It's really almost a 2nd and 4th round pick. I think of some of the players we've drafted that are no longer on the team and it gives me the chills. That said, I know we're drafting a lot more wisely now, but still.

Personally, I'd give up our 1st and 3rd for the guy and give him a long term deal.

I mean I get where you are coming from, but Spikes at the very least will be there and we won't have to give up the third. You also make the point that those picks are like a 2nd and 4th but the value of these picks is very high with how deep the draft is. That first and third will nab us two good players and I don't want to give up those two picks for a guy like Ryans.

With the acquisition of Rhodes at the price of a 4 and 7 (which I loved), the organization has shown they are open to trading but are looking for bargains. If we only gave up a 4th and 7th for a guy like Rhodes, who has a great contract and is one of the best at his position, I can't see us acquiring Ryans for two high picks.

 

[Snakester]

Yea I think he is worth it. Probowl inside linebacker in his prime. The only sticking point with me would be to sign him to a long term deal (5 or 6 years). He would be very expensive. Karlos Dansby money for sure.

 

[Hypothesis]

If we were 1 4-3 MLB away from having a stout defense, then I might consider it, but with all the holes our defense currently has, I'd be reluctant to trade away 2 high picks for Patrick Willis at this point. Let me see what Demeco Ryans can do without 4 defensive linemen absorbing the o-line in front of him and let me see what he can do when asked to drop back into coverage more before I spend a 1st and a 3rd on him.

 

[kerouac9]

Good MLB/ILB linebackers are capable of being found through the end of the second round. There's no way that any linebacker--including Ray Lewis in his prime--is worth a first and a third. Remember that in his prime Ray Lewis had a couple of very good DTs keeping blockers off him, as well.

Ryans is a really, really good Gerald Hayes. He does not have the coverage ability to replace Dansby or to make him more attractive than Weatherspoon or McClain.

 

[187]

I could *maybe* see giving up one 1st rounder for him if we planned on drafting an ILB in the first, but a first AND a third is a horrible trade for ANY inside linebacker not named Patrick Willis and even that's not a good deal. As it's been said sold ILB's can be found in the 2nd and 3rd round, look at Dansby..

 

[Stout]

Teams don't tender players just so they can get some compensation when they leave. Texans will keep Demeco Ryans no matter what.

I'm not advocating us signing him, but the Texans have no choice. If a team signs him to an offer sheet, he is gone and they get the draft picks. They can't stop it happening.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Doing this would be almost the same as trading Beanie and Doucet or Dockett for Ryans. Would you really do this??

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not advocating us signing him, but the Texans have no choice. If a team signs him to an offer sheet, he is gone and they get the draft picks. They can't stop it happening.

No, that's not right. If a player signs an offer sheet, the original team (in this case, the Texans) has 5-7 days (I forget how long, but I think it's 5) to elect to match the offer. They don't have to better the offer, they only have to accept it as their own.

If the original team declines to accept the offer, then the player going to the offering team, and the offering team gives compensation to the original team.

 

[Stout]

No, that's not right. If a player signs an offer sheet, the original team (in this case, the Texans) has 5-7 days (I forget how long, but I think it's 5) to elect to match the offer. They don't have to better the offer, they only have to accept it as their own.

If the original team declines to accept the offer, then the player going to the offering team, and the offering team gives compensation to the original team.

Ha, you learn something new every day. I thought that was just for transitionally tagged playes. Thanks K9

 

[Syracusecards]

Doing this would be almost the same as trading Beanie and Doucet or Dockett for Ryans. Would you really do this??

Or it could be the same as trading Buster Davis and Bryant Johnson for Ryans. There's no guarantee our 1st & 3rd are going to be superstars.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Or it could be the same as trading Buster Davis and Bryant Johnson for Ryans. There's no guarantee our 1st & 3rd are going to be superstars.

Your post is an example of thinking scared. Thinking scared never results in success and a winning team would never go by that ideology.

 

[BigDavis75]

Or it could be the same as trading Buster Davis and Bryant Johnson for Ryans. There's no guarantee our 1st & 3rd are going to be superstars.

True true, but we have hit more often than not lately so I think we can get better value out of those two picks than just Ryans.

 

[Syracusecards]

Your post is an example of thinking scared. Thinking scared never results in success and a winning team would never go by that ideology.

Actually I think it would be incredibly ballsy to trade away a couple picks to secure a budding linebacker.

Thinking scared was trading out of the 6th pick to get Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace when a solid LB that wanted to play in Arizona was staring us in the face.

To each their own, but for a guy that plays all 3 downs, was rookie of the year, has been to two pro bowls already, I'd be willing to chance that the guys we pick in the first and 3rd aren't going to be as good as him. We upgrade the position from KD IMO.

Then we go into the draft and we can pick BPA. Right now, we're looking at picking based on need. What happens if no good MLB's are available when we pick?

Whiz has always said he likes to sign players to fill needs and then go BPA in the draft.

This move would fit the bill.

 

[Cardiac]

Actually I think it would be incredibly ballsy to trade away a couple picks to secure a budding linebacker.

Thinking scared was trading out of the 6th pick to get Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace when a solid LB that wanted to play in Arizona was staring us in the face.

To each their own, but for a guy that plays all 3 downs, was rookie of the year, has been to two pro bowls already, I'd be willing to chance that the guys we pick in the first and 3rd aren't going to be as good as him. We upgrade the position from KD IMO.

Then we go into the draft and we can pick BPA. Right now, we're looking at picking based on need. What happens if no good MLB's are available when we pick?

Whiz has always said he likes to sign players to fill needs and then go BPA in the draft.

This move would fit the bill.

The issue then becomes we have very little left in draft picks so we will be forced to draft for need. That being a CB and another ILB and who is our NT?