Defense Play Book

Djaughe · Nov 8, 2008

bankybruce said:
Sorry about that.

Nah don't worry about it.

We'll I think we can either adjust the goalline "D" in having less pass rushers...or do away from it.

I'm going to try the less pass rushers - maybe zone fer the Knights.

Djaughe · Nov 9, 2008

Banky/DBQ:

Keep an eye out for screens...there is some debate whether a speed DE will mess it up...or if they need capped vision to recognize it.

Motiak said:
I'll go find the replay, but a DE on my team blew up a screen by hurrying the QB because the LT let him through (like he's supposed to).

I believe this was a WR screen: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=265026&pbp_id=24005

Kizvaar said:
Looks like it was a screen to me. It says it was going to the blocking guy, but I wonder if that was because of the hurry. Really, that play had some hella potential, it just depends on a lot of "ifs". If the HB would have picked up teh DE isntead, or if the DE wasn't so fast, and if the LT was faster/more agile....then the play could have gone to the WR in the space, the LT could have been fast enough to go out and block the oncoming CB, and the HB or a slower DE would have given the QB enogh time to hit his man.

Cool stuff, and some of them working right will give d coordinators and defenses as a whole the night sweats.

EDIT, scratch that, it does say it was going to X-Man Lee, the blocking WR was Coltrane, the ball was just miessed or overthrown. So the play had all sorts of potential, even a hurry in that case is ok as long as the QB can still make the completion....and if that LT is fast enough to get to the CB....that is big yards.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=262795&pbp_id=291357

irishpimp815 said:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=262795&pbp_id=291357
WR screen (us on D)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=262795&pbp_id=292737
WR screen (us on Offense)

Djaughe · Nov 14, 2008

Djaughe · Nov 17, 2008

Superspck...kinda detouring from the defensive side of things...There's really no way to stop it, since the only plays that can stop it are LB Flats and DE Contain, which are pretty much useless against any other play...so it comes down to the CB's having good builds and tackling.

I am going to incorporate a 3.2.6 zone against it to see if it helps in slowing it down.

I found this info about WR Screens that you might find useful:

bruiser 1234 said:
Any WR with 80+ speed, (preferably 85+), and 60+ agility is going to run that play great. No matter who is at CB, unless the CB has higher speed agility with good vision

bruiser 1234 said:
rellascout said:

If your CBs can tackle it will stop it everytime. I love to see teams at my level run it against my guys.

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Well lets see, I have run it with my team, against a team in a higher league in a scrimmage, a top contender, with good CB's, and it still worked.

You need the right WR. People try and run it without the right WR

bruiser 1234 said:
Kayoh said:

Is there anything special about your #3 and 4 WRs that seperate them from the rest?

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Actually wait, I changed it, now it goes

1, 4
2, 3
3, 4
4
TE

But our WR3 is high agility and more of a possession guy, so when the screen was run to him, he cut straight up field instead of to the outside, because he is not fast.

Our WR4 is a speedster, he was our KR/PR but now only have 4 WR's instead of 5. So hopefully when the screen is ran to him instead of our #1, it works better

Superspck - I'm going to begin training the J0ker on his strength and blocking (i.e. 16 pts min).

In your WR Screen (Single Back) ...what do you think if we jack up the percentages against the Newcastle Raiders? Also what do you think if we alternate the TE2 over on the weakside?

SuperSpck · Nov 17, 2008

Jughead said:
Superspck...kinda detouring from the defensive side of things...There's really no way to stop it, since the only plays that can stop it are LB Flats and DE Contain, which are pretty much useless against any other play...so it comes down to the CB's having good builds and tackling.

I am going to incorporate a 3.2.6 zone against it to see if it helps in slowing it down.

I found this info about WR Screens that you might find useful:

Superspck - I'm going to begin training the J0ker on his strength and blocking (i.e. 16 pts min).

In your WR Screen (Single Back) ...what do you think if we jack up the percentages against the Newcastle Raiders? Also what do you think if we alternate the TE2 over on the weakside?

I like it, but I'll touch more on the in game strat in the official page.

Djaughe · Nov 18, 2008

Sigh....Why must Bort hate Defense?

:bang:

Voltron said:
Bort added this for pass rushing

Snap delay based on vision added for pass rush (similar to running play delay)

Anyone seen it have any effect yet? My DE hasn't played since it's been added.

Djaughe · Nov 19, 2008

I noticed this today that Voltron's DE (one of the best in GLB) with 25 vision had a great game: (8 Tkl, 5 Hry, 5 Sack).

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=94086

I don't know his build...but I'm suspecting that high agility (acceleration) may have overcome the "snap delay" issue.

Beaver · Nov 19, 2008

I've been trying to follow Miked's DE building plan with both my guys. Bring speed/agility to the second cap (60 without EQ) then bring vision to the first cap (48). After that bring speed/agility to the third cap (69). He puts zero points into strength.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=123897

Oh and only SA into shed block and tunnel vision. (except the requirements)

Djaughe · Dec 2, 2008

This is close to what I've done for the Knights.

IMO - you have to have the fastest rolb blitzing to disrupt the wr screen play. I also have the CB blitzing from that same area.

If one or both gets in the backfield - they have a good shot at breaking the play up.

midlineveer said:
AZCowboysfan said:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=257678&pbp_id=7782934

Is this a 4-3 cover 2 with a shift to the right?

And how do you stop the HB on this play? any ideas?

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Shift weak side in a 4-3 or 3-4 Cover 1 or Cover 2 & Blitz ROLB, that simple. If your ROLB and RDE are worth their salt they don't let the QB get the ball off. On all three of those screen plays the QB drifts left (weak side) as he lefts the screen develop. The catch is, do you want to shift weak against the strong I. It is easier to stop when they run it out of the single back and regular I.

This works well also but you can not stack the box, the LBs get caught in traffic. Just a 4-3 cover 1, no shift.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=272318&pbp_id=7731501

Djaughe · Dec 2, 2008

Another good post...also why sombody like Gunner McGunnstien (Lv. 35) is a perfect fit to deal with the WR screens.

SteelersInsider said:
There are plenty of times when this happens too:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=211362&pbp_id=6742525 (0 yards)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=211362&pbp_id=6744250 (incomplete)

The WR doing the blocking has blocking and strength over 30, yet still couldn't block a 25 strength CB for an instant?

I don't think vision is the CB's problem (you said your guy has 44). I think the CB's need more speed and agility to get around the block instead of through it. Plus, if a 17 strength WR is blocking them, then the CB's probably also need more STRENGTH if not speed/agility.

Why don't you switch up the equipment and run a scrimmage game to try to find what defenses work well against that play?

What defenses have you tried? Just because you put a 3-1-7 on the field doesn't mean it can magically stop that play.

Do your homework before you call for a nerf. Look at upper leagues and see how they are stopping it. Go to the most elite teams and watch their defenses stop it.

I think people call on Bort to give them the answers for their offensive and defensive problems too early. Supposedly the off tackle run was too powerful, then it was a couple other runs. Then the goal line defense was too powerful, then people gradually found the plays and defenses to stop those "exploits" and aren't complaining any more.

Look around a little more before you quit. I know you didn't try everything.

Djaughe · Dec 29, 2008

LB's can now scrape...I'm considering using the LB's on both the Czars and Maori to go run focus for all LBs tactics to better stop the run.

Anyone think this can be effective as a run stop?

Originally posted by Bort
- LB pre-snap read reaction changed - they now sort of "shadow" the HB before he gets the handoff, which gets them in better position to fill the hole. If you want them to all out attack on the play instead, have them blitz.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1727079

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1727079

SuperSpck · Dec 30, 2008

I think I'm bored of the Simeon Rice phenomenon that GLB seems to embrace. Not every DE in the world has top-notch acceleration and no strength!

I'd like the game to reward a more balanced build.

I'd like vision to have a more substantial impact on all positions.

But I'm just grumpy this morning.

Djaughe · Dec 30, 2008

SuperSpck said:
I think I'm bored of the Simeon Rice phenomenon that GLB seems to embrace. Not every DE in the world has top-notch acceleration and no strength!

I'd like the game to reward a more balanced build.

I'd like vision to have a more substantial impact on all positions.

But I'm just grumpy this morning.

Change the GLB world - lets focus our running game at those "speed" backs.

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SuperSpck · Dec 30, 2008

Jughead said:
Change the GLB world - lets focus our running game at those "speed" backs.

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IF our last game is a true barometer, our "ground em and pound em" will do a lot to change the way our conference plays, at the very least.

SuperSpck · Dec 30, 2008

By the way, I'm no longer grumpy. I'm drunk!

A much better way to be!

SuperSpck · Dec 30, 2008

Holy crap! I'm approaching 5k in posts!

Djaughe · Dec 30, 2008

SuperSpck said:
By the way, I'm no longer grumpy. I'm drunk!

A much better way to be!

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Djaughe · Jan 2, 2009

*bump*

Banky, DBQ - lets use this thread to discuss def. AI tactics....with Toledo, Raiders, Czars, and Maori...we should get plenty of game film to quickly shake off the busted plays.

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