DCU: The Flash (2023)

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IMO, they should have kept Henry, Ben, and Gal. They could have kept Jason, they should have kicked Ezra to jail and pulled in Grant Gustin. Further develop the big three characters in their own movies and then more Justice League, introduce more characters...THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE. Like Disney and Marvel, the formula for superhero success is not complicated but for some reason no one cares. Stop with the agendas, stop with the swapping, write good stories.
So double down on what wasn't working? That doesn't seem like a good plan.
 

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I get your point, but there's a bit more nuance than that I think.

Keeping actors really good in their roles isn't doubling down and what's not working, IMO. It's taking the best from what, to your point, largely failed.

Who wants the Authority? Do you think that's going to "work"? Before a Justice League movie?? (no Justice League movie has even been announced, btw)

Their first Batman movie they are going to have is The Brave and the Bold. It's a good story in the comics, but how about we actually have the origin story of Robin and their relationship?

When has a Swamp Thing movie ever worked?

Creature Commandos. 'Nuff said.

Oh, and let's not forget their Game of Thrones series set in Themyscira.

My plan sounds better than Gunn's. And now that consumers are actually discriminating with their dollars and not paying for crap, time will tell if choosing Gunn and his complete redo was the right move.
 

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I get your point, but there's a bit more nuance than that I think.

Keeping actors really good in their roles isn't doubling down and what's not working, IMO. It's taking the best from what, to your point, largely failed.

Who wants the Authority? Do you think that's going to "work"? Before a Justice League movie?? (no Justice League movie has even been announced, btw)

Their first Batman movie they are going to have is The Brave and the Bold. It's a good story in the comics, but how about we actually have the origin story of Robin and their relationship?

When has a Swamp Thing movie ever worked?

Creature Commandos. 'Nuff said.

Oh, and let's not forget their Game of Thrones series set in Themyscira.

My plan sounds better than Gunn's. And now that consumers are actually discriminating with their dollars and not paying for crap, time will tell if choosing Gunn and his complete redo was the right move.
But the movies and universe didn't work. I don't think they should have fired all the actors, but simply continuing to make bad movies with them wasn't going to be a good idea either.
 

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I think we're largely in agreement.

Dude, I'm craving some Primanti's!
 
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"Everything that could go wrong essentially did go wrong at the box office," Shawn Robbins, chief analyst at Box Office Pro told Yahoo Finance Live on Tuesday. "A lot of industry buzz led into higher expectations, especially going into summer, but it ended up that reviews, word of mouth and just general consumer confusion about the DC franchises really worked against the film."
This sentence right here is the essence of the DCCU's problem from day one. Fanboys are simply not enough of an audience to make something a megahit. What Marvel did was draw in the casual and even non-hero/comic fans. Their organization of the properties were both organic and organized. DC has been the polar opposite with all these properties between TV and film being all over the map. Bottom line is you NEED the casual fan. Not that casting isn't important, it is, but at the end of the day, good written movies and coherent plan is the only thing that will save DC.

Hence James Gunn who is a good writer was poached. The problem is that being a good writer doesn't mean you can organize the entire "verse". That remains to be seen. Moving on from HC, GG for example wasn't a good start. The Flash introduced the multi-verse. You could easily used the same actors and start over without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
 
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I think we're largely in agreement.

Dude, I'm craving some Primanti's!
I thought I was going to have Primanti's this weekend at a convention in Pittsburgh. We were across the river from downtown, or "dahntahn," and there were tens of thousands of swifties in tahn for two concerts, so we decided against.
 

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I am rewatching Matt Reeves Batman and it's the best movie about Batman. The best movie in the franchise is The Dark Knight but that's because of the Joker not the Batman.
 

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Easy layup is a making Robert Pattinson the new Batman
 

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Eh, Sparkly Vampire was fine for an Elseworlds Batman, but he doesn't fit an actual Bruce Wayne IMO.
 

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That is true. In that respect he was the most detective. Batman '89 is next. The rest aren't in the running.
 

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OOOOOF.

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If BB bombs Gunn is in serious trouble.
I think BB was in production before Gunn officially took over and they were just taking advantage of it as a soft launching point for the new verse. Gunn’s first real test will be the new Superman movie:

“I mean the first DCU character, for sure, is Blue Beetle, and the first FULL DCU movie is Superman,” - James Gunn

If so, I doubt BB be on him if it goes belly up.
 
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Gunn is at least partially to blame, because of the whole transition.

I don't have much faith in him at all.
 

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Not a fan of this genre but saw this a few weeks ago and really enjoyed it. Loved how they worked in actors like Keaton who play or even almost appeared as previous versions of superheros.

Nic Cage for the win!

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I think BB was in production before Gunn officially took over and they were just taking advantage of it as a soft launching point for the new verse. Gunn’s first real test will be the new Superman movie:

“I mean the first DCU character, for sure, is Blue Beetle, and the first FULL DCU movie is Superman,” - James Gunn

If so, I doubt BB be on him if it goes belly up.
Like it or not, BB will be his first movie and it will be on him. He's the guy at the helm. Not of a film, but of an EU. It will fall on him and, if BB tanks, it will undercut his efforts on the Supes movie.
 
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Like it or not, BB will be his first movie and it will be on him. He's the guy at the helm. Not of a film, but of an EU. It will fall on him and, if BB tanks, it will undercut his efforts on the Supes movie.
I didn’t say no impact but they are not going to hold him solely accountable and dump all the planning and money they invested in him because of BB. No chance.

If the new Supes tanks spectacularly? That’s a new ballgame.
 

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I didn’t say no impact but they are not going to hold him solely accountable and dump all the planning and money they invested in him because of BB. No chance.

If the new Supes tanks spectacularly? That’s a new ballgame.
They definitely won't dump him because of BB, but it could very well make an already Herculean task impossible to pull off.
 
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They definitely won't dump him because of BB, but it could very well make an already Herculean task impossible to pull off.
Oh that I agree with. I certainly am not putting any money on the fact he can fix this mess. IMO, he has already made some missteps anyway.
 

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Gunn is at least partially to blame, because of the whole transition.

I don't have much faith in him at all.

I'm not having much either right now. I was excited when they hired him but not the way it has gone since. My buddy is a huge Browns fan and always says on new coaches/players "you don't change Cleveland, Cleveland changes you." I'm getting the feeling that you can replace Cleveland in that with WB/DC. The disfunction in this franchise runs deep.
 

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Like it or not, BB will be his first movie and it will be on him. He's the guy at the helm. Not of a film, but of an EU. It will fall on him and, if BB tanks, it will undercut his efforts on the Supes movie.
It should fall on the head of Warner Bros Discovery who is actually quite terrible at running a movie studio.
 

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They definitely won't dump him because of BB, but it could very well make an already Herculean task impossible to pull off.
Doubt that. He’ll get carte Blanche to do whatever he wants with Supes, especially with Guardians being one of the lone standouts in recent comic memory. but if Supes doesn’t go like gangbusters, the noose will start to tighten.
 

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