Discussion in 'Arizona Cardinals' started by TheCardFan, Apr 4, 2020.
Thanks for this!
Nothing at all wrong with Kirk talent wise.
His biggest issues has been missing games and concentration drops. He's had 4 or 5 big drops when he's been wide open.
But considering he's had missed time, 2 different coaching staffs, 2 QBs, 2 playbooks in his first 2 seasons I don't get the complaints.
He would have had 2 800+ yard seasons if healthy. Both with rookie QBs.
Calvin Ridley who was a 1st round pick is considered a success with 821 and 866 yards the last 2 years.
Robert Woods, has broke 800 twice in 7 years.
I'll even go as far to say Kirk is a top 10 WR2 in the league.
Here's the others
Not even a question he's top 10 when you look at the list
You can take my word for it or not, because I don’t have the time. However, you could put a similar highlight reel together on any of the top 15 prospects in this year’s draft. Just try YouTube. That’s why scouts go to see players in person. You need to see all their plays, not just the ones they get right. It’s also why aggregate statistical information is so important.
Not even a question? I found that to be a bold claim, so i looked into all of your listed guys a bit and made my own ranking. Note that some of the guys you list are #3 at best on their teams going into 2020:
Curtis Samuel (CAR) behind DJ Moore, Robby Anderson
Adam Humphries (TEN) behind AJ Brown, Corey Davis
Marqise Lee (JAC) behind DJ Chark, Dede Westbrook, Chris Conley?
Allen Lazard (GB) behind Adams, Valdes-Scantling
Paris Campbell (IND) behind Hilton, Pascal)
Others are technically #1 WRs now:
Stefon Diggs (BUF)
Jamison Crowder (NYJ)
Will Fuller (HOU) pending an acquisition
Deebo Samuel (SF) pending an acquisition
Still i'd rank the following ahead of Kirk "without a question" based on significantly higher production the last 1-2 years:
Chris Godwin (TB)
Calvin Ridley (ATL)
Robert Woods (LAR)
Jarvis Landry (CLE)
DK Metcalf (SEA)
Mike Williams (LAC)
Robby Anderson (CAR)
Sterling Shepard (NYG)
Michael Gallup (DAL)
That would put Kirk at #10, but then consider the following "arguably" better:
Marvin Jones (DET) - entering his 9th year, also a bit injury prone, but had more yards per game and WAY more TDs than Kirk
DeSean Jackson (PHI) (!) - entering his 13th year, injury prone, but had WAY more yards per game and TDs than Kirk - surely will be relegated to #3 by an acquisition
Cole Beasley (BUF) - entering his 9th year, comparable stats to Kirk, though he accumulated them as a #1 WR last season
Tyler Boyd (CIN) - inconsistent, but had WAY more yards and TDs than Kirk, though he was effectively a #1 much of the last two seasons
Preston Williams (MIA) - only played 8 games, but had similar yards/game and more TDs/game than Kirk
If you rank a couple of those guys ahead of Kirk, he's still top-15 for a #2, not bad.
I thought the following guys were close, but probably behind Kirk:
Sammy Watkins (KC) - similar stats, but on a much better team
Kenny Stills (HOU) - the new #2, racked up similar stats to Kirk playing as a #2/#3
Breshad Perriman (NYJ) - the new #2, racked up decent stats as a #3
Dede Westbrook (JAC)
Corey Davis (TEN)
The rest are clearly well behind Kirk.
Bottom line: I'd say there's "no question" Kirk's in the top half of the league, and if you argue he's top 10 i won't argue against you, but it's borderline.
Kirk is ok. He’s like the Jordan Phillips of WRs.
Not a star but he can be easily a 1000 yards number 2 receiver
Obviously he is not a red zone target so he cant score many touchdowns
I think alot will depend on KM, and Kirk's ability to stay healthy. He has played with 2 rookie QBs his numbers may not be in line with other number 2s in the NFL, but that may improve with another year together with KM, most guys that are good number 2s usually play with experienced QBs that see matchups faster KM will improve with time and Kirk's numbers will probably look better when he is actually playing with a number 1 WR
Yes, he'll be a solid #2
Lol yeah he would be a great 3rd option, I'm really hoping oline or dline draft but when Kirk is matched up against a slot comer or safety id bet he has better numbers then most 2 s . I'll keep saying wouldnt hate WR pick for the matchups almost makes the offense unstoppable JMO
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