Cards Will Have to Make Salary Cuts?

[TheCardFan]

This thread is too much.

A couple of months ago, the tar was being boiled and feather beds were being harvested everywhere in preparation:

The "same old" Cardinals were not even going to spend to the cap! The Cheap B's.

Now...the skiy is falling...we are in cap hell...we are going to have to cut somebody who is earning a lot of money!!!

I think somebody just likes to tar and feather.

Seriously...are you aware of what has happened? Do you have amnesia?

Our team has not won more than 8 games in 19 out the last 20 years in AZ. They let their biggest FA walk without compensation. They spend 10m of this years cap without signing a new player or extending one. They tell us they are going to add depth to the belly of the team. They sign mid-tier free agents (belly depth). Now they are talking about having to cut a starter and/or belly depth to get under the cap, so they can sign their rookies.

Please stop the kool aid vs dark side debate for a second. IF this is true, this team is again lying to it's fans and I can't believe for one second that this would set well with any fan...unless you have amnesia.

 

[Zeno]

This thread is too much.

A couple of months ago, the tar was being boiled and feather beds were being harvested everywhere in preparation:

The "same old" Cardinals were not even going to spend to the cap! The Cheap B's.

Now...the skiy is falling...we are in cap hell...we are going to have to cut somebody who is earning a lot of money!!!

I think somebody just likes to tar and feather.

No, what I think most people were saying was, spend the money wisely. Gandy's contract wasn't a smart contract, Al Johnson's contract was not a smart contract (does he really deserve to be the highest paid center in the NFL?). A lot of the more insightful posters said at the time the Cardinals were structuring contracts for the money to hit this year to avoid any penalties and so the front office could say "see we do spend all our money"--we had as much money as anyone and we didn't make any significant free agent moves(I did like the Smith and Hood signings but they are hardly significant) , now we hear they may not have enough money to sign all their rookies and extend important players like Dansby without asking players to restructure or take pay cuts or cutting players who would otherwise be valuable to the team (Bryant Johnson, Milford Brown, Reggie Wells)...to me thats a head scratcher.

But whatever...if their plan works and this team wins this year nobody will care. I'm done trying to figure out this front office, it hurts my head. Hopefully I will just enjoy the product on the field this season.

 

[Sandan]

I think somebody just likes to tar and feather.

This is very true, myself included just that I want to tar and feather different people than some of the posters

 

[Cheesebeef]

i love this team.

 

[joeshmo]

This thread is too much.

A couple of months ago, the tar was being boiled and feather beds were being harvested everywhere in preparation:

The "same old" Cardinals were not even going to spend to the cap! The Cheap B's.

Now...the skiy is falling...we are in cap hell...we are going to have to cut somebody who is earning a lot of money!!!

I think somebody just likes to tar and feather.

It isnt even close to being that black or white of an issue, not even close.

Read Zeno's first sentance in post #52.

 

[BigRedRage]

Urbans been ASFN surfing

There has been a quick reaction to the comments of VP of football operations Rod Graves that the Cardinals are planning to restructure players' deals or even cut players in order to create needed salary cap room.
The Cards have options. They can create space by something simple as giving a player some money up front. Say they want to do something with backup quarterback Kurt Warner, who is due a $4 million salary and has a cap figure of $5 million. If they turn $3 million of the salary into an immediate signing bonus, Warner gets his money, and his cap number shrinks to $3.5 million this season.

Read the rest at http://blogs.eastvalleytribune.com/view.php?blogId=30

Mostly just saying the same thing, while it is a situation it shouldnt be hard to fix.

 

[Duckjake]

This is very true, myself included just that I want to tar and feather different people than some of the posters

It's usually whichever head coach the Cardinals just fired.

The new guy on the other hand can do no wrong.

Not an unusual phenomenon among sports fans though.

 

[ajcardfan]

Nidan I'm sure Rod has a plan, my point is I'm sure he had a plan a few months ago when he rolled all the extra money into this years cap too.

it just seems very odd that suddenly we might have a cap problem in a year where we had such a big cushion we intentionally took caphits we didn't have to take?

I don't think anybody is expecting Leinart to get cut, but if we have to restructure or cut players to get under the cap I'll sure be a little stunned.

Yeah, it's tough for me to make sense of it either. There's no need to accelerate all those bonuses and then scramble to sign draft picks and free agents later.

I guess maybe they have known all along that they will cut some big salaries.

 

[Sandan]

So we could turn some of this years money into signing bonus if we need to ?

Sound like a plan to me, wonder if that's why w went the roster bonus route in the first place. This way we get both options.

 

[vinnymac]

What about Berry?

I caught a lot of hate from everyone when i said the cardinals needed the cap space and that cutting Berry or Okeafor would be a good idea. Especially since they are both over 30 and their production doesn't match thier salaries. Now all of sudden it is a good idea. This is a joke.

 

[Pariah]

I caught a lot of hate from everyone when i said the cardinals needed the cap space and that cutting Berry or Okeafor would be a good idea. Especially since they are both over 30 and their production doesn't match thier salaries. Now all of sudden it is a good idea.

Actually, I think the major thrust of the thread is that it ISN'T a good idea---that people would be pissed if the Cards so mismanaged the books that they had to cut a starter (read: Okeafor or Berry).

This is a joke.

Oh, I missed this part. Now your post makes more sense; you weren't serious. Well played, sir.

 

[BigRedRage]

My shirt is NOOOTTTTTTT Black.

My shirt is black..............................................................NOT

 

[joeshmo]

Read the rest at http://blogs.eastvalleytribune.com/view.php?blogId=30

Mostly just saying the same thing, while it is a situation it shouldnt be hard to fix.

Urban should have credited me in his blog.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1356808&postcount=26

Last paragraph. He just changed the name to Warner thats all

 

[TheCardFan]

I caught a lot of hate from everyone when i said the cardinals needed the cap space and that cutting Berry or Okeafor would be a good idea. Especially since they are both over 30 and their production doesn't match thier salaries. Now all of sudden it is a good idea. This is a joke.

It's not a good idea...cutting Berry is a joke.

 

[Redheart]

Seriously...are you aware of what has happened? Do you have amnesia?

Our team has not won more than 8 games in 19 out the last 20 years in AZ. They let their biggest FA walk without compensation. They spend 10m of this years cap without signing a new player or extending one. They tell us they are going to add depth to the belly of the team. They sign mid-tier free agents (belly depth). Now they are talking about having to cut a starter and/or belly depth to get under the cap, so they can sign their rookies.

Please stop the kool aid vs dark side debate for a second. IF this is true, this team is again lying to it's fans and I can't believe for one second that this would set well with any fan...unless you have amnesia.

I think I remember it quite clearly; but I would hate to stake much on my memory.

I remember a lot of second-guessing about the cap space. I have to ignore your attempt to bring in our last 20 years of team history in this as a digression (lying to the fans?) from the subject.

The managment had a plan.

Fans second-guess plan.​

Some assumptions the plan was based on may have changed.

Fans start fire for boiling tar​

Management adjusts plan.

Fans second-quess adjustments​

....



Happens all the time...

 

[TheCardFan]

I remember a lot of second-guessing about the cap space. I have to ignore your attempt to bring in our last 20 years of team history in this as a digression (lying to the fans?) from the subject.

LOL...that is all I have to read.

Ignore the last 20 years of this same type of mis-management and you will miss the point.

This is how you run a business to make a profit but not how you build a team to win.

So...which side of the fence are you on?

I want to win.

 

[Redheart]

I want to win.

That we can all agree on.

I won't point out how many different coaches / GM's we have had in the last 20 years, but I do wonder about your memory now. We have had cap-busting years and cap-space years. Remember Buddy? Remeber what happened to Hearst?

I will tell you what I see. I see this team with more quality players to choose from going into training camp than we have ever had in Arizona. I see a cap issue that will be handled and be put to rest before we sign our last draft pick.

Bottom line: much to do about nothing. Par for course this time of year; at least that is how I remember it...

 

[kerouac9]

So we could turn some of this years money into signing bonus if we need to ?

Sound like a plan to me, wonder if that's why w went the roster bonus route in the first place. This way we get both options.

So... you're saying that the plan was:

1) To move roster bonuses due next season into this one at the beginning of free agency. Then it looked like we had less money to spend on free agents.

2) Then, when we did sign free agents, ones that we expected to be around awhile, we gave them roster bonuses so that the majority of their cap charges could come this season.

3) Now, we're going to restructure the contracts of the players who we don't really expect to be around two or three years from now (almost definitely Berry and Warner, maybe Okeafor). That way, we can carry their cap charge into later seasons, and likely leave ourselves with dead money on the cap.

Well, that sounds like a plan. Nothing to see here, everyone. Very responsible people are in charge on Hardy Drive.

 

[jefftheshark]

It's not a good idea...cutting Berry is a joke.

Cutting Berry, or any other starter for that matter, is a joke. However restructuring or reducing their contracts, and making them more cap-friendly, is what good GM's do.

It will be interesting to see if we have a good GM or not.

The Shark

 

[Sandan]

Pointless discussion K9, whatever I say [or anybody else that disagrees with you], you will put up comments spun to demonstrate how stupid the Cardinals FO is.

Facts are:

• We have what appears to be a new and businesslike coaching staff
• Good attendance at off season workouts
• We had what looks like a good draft
• We will not go into the season vastly under the cap
• If we need to free up funds to sign/resign people we can

How good is our new staff and how good was our drat, only time will tell. For now they both appear to be reasonable. I think only you and a few others seem to think we reached for Brown and Branch, most of the national press appears to disagree with you.

I just don't see what it is right now you are coming unglued over ?

One comment from Urban taken out of context [that context being that it wasn't a problem and here is the plan to deal with it]

 

[AZCB34]

The reason I started this was I was very, very surprised that cap space was an issue. For all the FO faults, they seemed to have a solid grasp of the cap (maybe too much so). Now, all of a sudden, cuts are very possible, not due to poor play but due to money. Restructuring is a MUST if the Cards want to get Brand and Brown in on time and lest we forget, it takes two to tango to restructure.

I suspect Warner will be the most likely to agree to restructuring but I don't know if it gets the Cards as close as they need.

IMO, the hallmark of a well run organization is one that doesn't dig themselves holes to get out of. Maybe they dropped a ladder down in the hole they have dug and getting out will be easy and pain-free. On the other hand, maybe getting out of the hole will cause great pain and problems for this team and these are problems this organization just cannot deal with right now.

On the surface, it appears as though Rod may have messed this up. We shall see. Having to cut players because of money, especially solid backups, will take this organization another step backwards.

 

[40yearfan]

Amazing. This is one of the main reasons I have almost quit posting on this board. First Graves/FO are incompetent and have no plan because they didn't bring in high priced free agents. Then Graves/FO are incompetent and will surely screw up the draft. Now due to a passing comment in Sommers blog, Graves/FO are incompetent and have screwed up the cap situation and this from the very people who were screaming the loudest that the Cards didn't spend enough on free agents.

It doesn't matter what this team does, the detractors will always find something else to bitch about even if they have to make up a situation through half baked ideas and off hand comments from a reporter for crying out loud.

You people aren't fans. You are complainers. You can't wait for the Cards to do something questionable (in your minds) so you can spread the vitrol and try to infect the people who see the Cards making an honest effort to change this organization around. Why root for a team if you find fault with every move they make? Maybe the Cards haven't won a pot load of games, but trying to second guess every move they make is ridiculous. If you have that little faith in this organization, why keep shooting yourself in the foot? Jump on a winning team's bandwagon and quit aggravating yourself.

 

[Ryanwb]

Oliver Ross can make all our problems go away

 

[TheCardFan]

It doesn't matter what this team does, the detractors will always find something else to bitch about even if they have to make up a situation through half baked ideas and off hand comments from a reporter for crying out loud.

Oh...it does matter. 19 out of the 20 years we have had losing seasons.

You have been around 40 years...how can you stand the losing combined with the bogus management?

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

I'm not reading much into this article, except that there will probably be one big surprise cut unless a few players rearranged their contracts. I wouldn't be surprised to see BJ, Pace, Obafemi, Milton, and Elton Brown on another team when the season starts. I think that would clear a lot of salary without "dismantling" the team.

Obafemi won't fit in our new style of play, and the others really haven't lived up to their expectations. I doubt we'll have a lot of 3 WR sets this year, so BJ and his salary can go away. I'd like to see Pace stay because of our lack of LBs, but if we can sign James Darling or someone of that caliber for the league minimum, Pace will be expendable. I'm assuming that Pace, being a first round pick in the last year of his contract, is due a chunk of money this year.