Big trade with patriots - Cooper for Chandler Jones

[Azlen]

Been reading the pats forum. About 80% are happy with the trade as they all complained he disappeared after week 8. Only two sacks in 9 games both against a blowout vs titans.

That's a common phenomena. You'll see it here as well. A player who leaves or gets traded away will be talked down and dismissed as not being very good.

 

[Mitch]

It's the right move for both teams. You can tell it's a sign of two savvy organizations now.

New England needed a high pick (Goodell robbed them) and knew that they couldn't keep him and Hightower.

Cardinals wiffed on free agent after free agent on pass rushers so they gave up a good pick and a player with potential to address their biggest need.

Hopefully Jones resigns with us and Cooper gets close to his potential so it's a win for both.

Well said, Chris.

 

[Clif]

Live look in at my desk......

 

[Catfish]

Hey, Mad Card Disease, you hang in there and take care of business on your end. Keim seems to be doing just fine here with the team. Take care young man and get better.

 

[gamebird98]

Cooper will be in the Pro Bowl in two years.

 

[CardLogic]

This article was written just this morning....looks like a long term business move in thinking that they couldn't afford him and get something now.

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/f...5/why-patriots-should-look-trade-chandler-jon

Lol! That article reads like a Patriots press release! Nice to have a cooperative journalist in your pocket.

 

[ARZCardinals]

He's a pro bowl DE
They don't grow on tree's

Cooper was ranked the 50th best guard in the league

Good Guards (which Cooper is not) are pretty easy to get
Good Pass Rushers are next to impossible to get

I feel like we sold them swamp land

 

[ARZCardinals]

Lol! That article reads like a Patriots press release! Nice to have a cooperative journalist in your pocket.

Yea it was posted just an hour or so before the trade went down....that or he's a genius!

 

[CardLogic]

Chandler Jones - Syracuse
Dwight Freeney - Syracuse

Coincidence? I think not.

I believe this trade has been worked on for a significant period of time!

 

[SteveKiner]

I wonder if we make him a 3-4 DE or an OLB.

Definitely an OLB for the Cards. Nowhere near stout enough to play inside for you guys on rushing downs. However, the Pats did have him line up as DT in the nickel on definite passing downs. Quick first step and some good moves. Bowles would have used him as a chess piece and moved him all over. I am not as familiar with Betcher, but he may do the same.

 

[SteveKiner]

That's a common phenomena. You'll see it here as well. A player who leaves or gets traded away will be talked down and dismissed as not being very good.

No one does that quite like the Boston/NE fans. By the end of the day, you will think that Jones was no better than a 3rd string back up on the verge of being cut if you listen to some people. Certain ones in particular, you would think any player leaving the local teams had to have insulted their wife/girlfriend or something. Read Patsfans.com to get a pretty good sense of the general feelings about Jones. Just don't take the real highs or real lows too seriously. If you read it enough, you will figure out who has an agenda and who doesn't.

 

[BW52]

So if Chandler Jones leaves after 2016 the Cards end up with ? A BIG FREAKING ZERO.Don`t mind the trade but hate the fact the Cards got hosed by giving up a 2nd round pick.What about Chandler Jones off field issues?

 

[Shane]

So if Chandler Jones leaves after 2016 the Cards end up with ? A BIG FREAKING ZERO.Don`t mind the trade but hate the fact the Cards got hosed by giving up a 2nd round pick.What about Chandler Jones off field issues?

Hes not leaving after 2016 unless he just sucks which o doubt. He will be franchised at a minimum

 

[D-Dogg]

Daaaaaaamn, Daniel!

 

[D-Dogg]

OMG, punting that option on Cooper was BRILLIANT. Well played, SK.

 

[roland77]

So if Chandler Jones leaves after 2016 the Cards end up with ? A BIG FREAKING ZERO.Don`t mind the trade but hate the fact the Cards got hosed by giving up a 2nd round pick.What about Chandler Jones off field issues?

If he signs a monster deal somewhere else, we would get a comp pick, quite likely a 3rd.

 

[juza76]

If he signs a monster deal somewhere else, we would get a comp pick, quite likely a 3rd.

What could be his asking price.
Probably they discussed already an extension,in the same way the Vikings did some years a go with jared Allen

 

[Clif]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14981557/proactive-patriots-trade-chandler-jones-future-mind-nfl

 

[Clif]

Great insight provided.

 

[CardsFan88]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14981557/proactive-patriots-trade-chandler-jones-future-mind-nfl

It's a good article, basically expands upon what has been discussed in this thread.

The only two things I can take issue with is that he said we need to clear space to fit Jones in? That sounds very wrong. Didn't we have a decent amount of space when FA hit? I thought I read an estimate of about 17-20, but that might have included DWash's contract being cut.

The other thing is that while I get the angle of trading him a year early to not lose him to free agency, the writer is almost equating that to getting rid of a player a year early due to ineffectiveness. That's not the same thing.

Logan Mankins, Randy Moss, and Richard Seymour were on the downside of their careers, and these guys were all in their 30's. 30, 32, and 34 roughly. Chandler Jones is 26 and entering into the prime of his career and physical specimen wise is exactly what we need.

But other than that it was a good thorough article.

 

[AZ Native]

I just saw this. 12 pages. Too much to read on my phone right now. I hope most of the comments are positive as I love this deal. These are not your grandmother's Cardinals

 

[Dr. Jones]

Keim freaking Time baby!

 

[Dr. Jones]

Nice....

Bill Simmons @BillSimmons
So long to Chandler Jones, a Super Bowl champ and the greatest NFL Films Mic'd Up Patriot ever.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Now sign Dwight Freeney and we are set at D

+1

Pressure from both sides

 

[BullheadCardFan]

From Mike Juecki:

Chandler Jones is 1 of 3 players in the NFL w/ 200+ tackles, 36+ sacks & 10+ FFs since 2012 (JJ Watt, Ryan Kerrigan).

Nice!!