Big Suns Trade?

[1tinsoldier]

i like the idea of the Suns getting involved to, hopefully, take advantage of the situation and luck out as the third party in the Lebron-a-thon but they need to be shrewd, not hasty, and they don't have "shrewd" in their history

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'd rather add Love than Ball. Not only do I think the price would be lower I think he'd actually help the team more. I know Ball is a PG but the media distractions and potential chemistry issues are too great to ignore with Ball. It's a possibility he'd work out but if I'm being honest I'd rather gamble signing Rondo than roll the dice with Ball. We could move on from Rondo much easier than Lonzo if it doesn't work. I know he's older but we can develop Okobo behind him or keep shopping for someone else.

Love fills a hole in our frontcourt and brings championship experience. If he came in and played his role he could help rebuild his reputation and build his legacy a little bit. He's not a Hall of Famer right now but if he helped the Suns turn around and was a piece of a contending team here, who knows. He doesn't risk anything coming here and joining a young team on an upswing. He could also show he's capable of doing a lot more than Lebron allowed in Cleveland. I don't expect the Wolves version of Kevin Love but he'd be playing PF primarily, mentoring Bender and Ayton, and be a solid pick and roll partner for Booker.

Why would Lonzo be difficult to move in from? He’s on a rookie contract, so he’s not expensive. He has three more years of controlled cost, so we can really see what kind of impact he would have. And I think we would have to give up less to get ball (because part of the value we provide is taking back dengs contract) than to get love.

 

[outcent13]

The problem with adding Ball would be that Devin Booker is the guy here ....adding Ball, as good as he may be would turn his father into a major problem...claiming his son is the guy, Booker can't play without him etc., hell he may even angle to be the coach at some point lol

Just to be clear I have zero followers ...just my opinion.

 

[Superbone]

Bickley also said he has the feeling and would not be surprised if Lonzo Ball became a Sun this week

Are we sure it's not gas?

 

[1tinsoldier]

notable decliners who would precede Love in Suns' history:
X-man,
Danny Manning,
Gugliotta,
Penny Hardaway,
Hot Rod Williams,
Hedo Türkoğlu,
Luc Longly,
Waymon Tisdale,
Shaq,
Knight,
Chandler

 

[taz02]

Maybe I missed it but what are we hypothetically sending back for Ball and Deng?

Why wouldn't the Spurs want Ball in a trade for Leonard?

 

[95pro]

Maybe I missed it but what are we hypothetically sending back for Ball and Deng?

Why wouldn't the Spurs want Ball in a trade for Leonard?

They would need a third party. We’d be the third party to get ball and deng’s contract.

 

[AzStevenCal]

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notable decliners who would precede Love in Suns' history:
X-man,
Danny Manning,
Gugliotta,
Penny Hardaway,
Hot Rod Williams,
Hedo Türkoğlu,
Luc Longly,
Waymon Tisdale,
Shaq,
Knight,
Chandler

I don't see how Manning makes that list. His decline didn't come until after he joined us. And I don't believe Longley was in decline, in fact, I think he was at the top of his game. But the top of his game was in the basement.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Udate by Gambo: Suns have zero interest in acquiring Love


he didnt say Ball though YES!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

notable decliners who would precede Love in Suns' history:
X-man,
Danny Manning,
Gugliotta,
Penny Hardaway,
Hot Rod Williams,
Hedo Türkoğlu,
Luc Longly,
Waymon Tisdale,
Shaq,
Knight,
Chandler

Manning, googs and knight weren’t declining they got injured. Xman was a bid fit (he rebounded in ny for a bit). I don’t think Luc had anywhere from which to decline.

The rest weren’t so much as in decline as they either were somewhat reclamation projects (hot rod, Shaq, penny) or just old (chandler).

 

[Hoop Head]

Why would Lonzo be difficult to move in from? He’s on a rookie contract, so he’s not expensive. He has three more years of controlled cost, so we can really see what kind of impact he would have. And I think we would have to give up less to get ball (because part of the value we provide is taking back dengs contract) than to get love.

I don't think it would that difficult to move on from him but it would leave us in a worse position than we started since we're stuck with Deng's salary. That sucks since we were just supposed to be facilitating a deal. Now we're upside basically, stuck with a bad contract and a player we need to trade. If we find a suitor, who knows what they'd be offering since we're not in position to leverage a great deal otherwise why are we trading him? He'd be headed to his 3rd team in less than 2 years in the league. I don't think people would be lining up to offer us anything worthwhile. I just think it would be much easier to move on from Rondo since the odds of him signing anywhere for more than 1 year are probably pretty slim. I didn't say we couldn't move on from Ball, just that it wouldn't be as easy.

 

[pokerface]

I could live with the idea of trading an asset for Ball, but bringing back a bad contract as well is a tough pill to swallow. It really just comes down to how much you value Ball's potential and I am kind of on the fence on that subject.

Yeah right. Ball is a little more suspect now and I can't stand Lavar!!!

 

[1tinsoldier]

I don't see how Manning makes that list. His decline didn't come until after he joined us.

yes, all those players were better before us. Manning was best on the Clippers.

the opposite list is players who got better -- Barkley and Kidd are most notable

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't think it would that difficult to move on from him but it would leave us in a worse position than we started since we're stuck with Deng's salary. That sucks since we were just supposed to be facilitating a deal. Now we're upside basically, stuck with a bad contract and a player we need to trade. If we find a suitor, who knows what they'd be offering since we're not in position to leverage a great deal otherwise why are we trading him? He'd be headed to his 3rd team in less than 2 years in the league. I don't think people would be lining up to offer us anything worthwhile. I just think it would be much easier to move on from Rondo since the odds of him signing anywhere for more than 1 year are probably pretty slim. I didn't say we couldn't move on from Ball, just that it wouldn't be as easy.

Definitely easier to move on from rondo but I don’t think it’s doffoxult to move on from Lonzo if he stinks. The risk of being stuck with deng is the reason you have the potential reward of ball working out.

 

[Raindog]

The thing with Ball is yes, he can't shoot - but the Suns wouldn't need any real contribution from him scoring wise with Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Warren (assuming he's stlll here), and JJ. But he is a solid facilitator and shows signs of turning into a plus defender.

And yes, his overbearing father is a colossal PITA, with a potential for being a major distraction. But if the off-the-court stuff can be kept there, I can't see why he wouldn't bring a huge upside for a young Suns team. The only question mark in my mind is why the Lakers would want to add to building what could be a young Suns powerhouse team.

 

[BC867]

Why do you people want Ball? Has everyone but three or four of us here lost their damn mind?

You're right. The Ball family history is no mystery. Especially with two brothers out there. And the ol' man.

If the Suns are changing their image, they need to dump the "brothers" obsession of the past.

 

[Dback Jon]

The problem with adding Ball would be that Devin Booker is the guy here ....adding Ball, as good as he may be would turn his father into a major problem...claiming his son is the guy, Booker can't play without him etc., hell he may even angle to be the coach at some point lol

Just to be clear I have zero followers ...just my opinion.

I'm very interested in your opinions and would like to inquire about becoming a follower. Do you have a pamphlet or anything?

 

[BC867]

On topic: I'm not a fan of adding Ball to this roster...or Kevin Love. Suns don't need a circus in the media hovering over this roster. I just feel like Love is deteriorating quickly.

Plus the ol' man would then start a public campaign for us to sign his other sons.

We don't need that distraction. And, with Sarver and McDonough, we don't have the experienced Front Office to handle that. And shouldn't want to.

 

[1tinsoldier]

But if the off-the-court stuff can be kept there, I can't see why he wouldn't bring a huge upside for a young Suns team.

because his off-the-court stuff can't be kept there. ask Magic

 

[pokerface]

Plus the ol' man would then start a public campaign for us to sign his other sons.

We don't need that distraction. And, with Sarver and McDonough, we don't have the experienced Front Office to handle that. And shouldn't want to.

Lavar needs to keep his yap in LA. I think we have a good natured good vibe team and I don't want it ruined. With our talent now we will be able to attract free agents and im sure we will get a good pg if not this season then the next.

 

[Finito]

Maybe I missed it but what are we hypothetically sending back for Ball and Deng?

Why wouldn't the Spurs want Ball in a trade for Leonard?

BECAUSE...HES...NOT...GOOD...AT...BASKETBALL

 

[Mainstreet]

BECAUSE...HES...NOT...GOOD...AT...BASKETBALL

It's sort of interesting that Fultz and Ball were selected 1 and 2 respectively in the 2017 draft and neither can shoot.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

The thing with Ball is yes, he can't shoot - but the Suns wouldn't need any real contribution from him scoring wise with Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Warren (assuming he's stlll here), and JJ. But he is a solid facilitator and shows signs of turning into a plus defender.

And yes, his overbearing father is a colossal PITA, with a potential for being a major distraction. But if the off-the-court stuff can be kept there, I can't see why he wouldn't bring a huge upside for a young Suns team. The only question mark in my mind is why the Lakers would want to add to building what could be a young Suns powerhouse team.

Finally someone with common sense and Basketball IQ, Ball would be a facilitator, push the tempo and run the offense, his very best attributes. He won't have to be the Man like he was being made in LA

 

[Hoop Head]

It's sort of interesting that Fultz and Ball were selected 1 and 2 respectively in the 2017 draft and neither can shoot.

If Philly and the Lakers had the chance to pick again you'd have to think they would select between Donovan Mitchell, Jayson Tatum, and Josh Jackson. Maybe throw Lauri Markkannen in that bunch also.

I could see Lauri working really well next to Embiid. I don't think Philly would do the trade with Boston again. They'd probably like a mulligan and take Lauri at #3. They have Saric already but Lauri is better. They have Covington as a SF already which might make Jackson redundant. Tatum is a great shooter that they could have used. They still owe a pick to Boston for Fultz as well. Boston made out quite well. I don't think they'd be able to take Mitchell unless they stayed at #1 because I think he'd fit with the Lakers the best if they could pick again. He doesn't move Ingram or Randle out of place, they'd still be able to grab Kuzma later. I doubt any star's would look to avoid him in LA like Ball either.

 

[Raindog]

because his off-the-court stuff can't be kept there. ask Magic

Out of the spotlight that comes with being associated with the Lakers, I don't think Lavar gets anywhere near as big a megaphone to shout through. I think he would slide into the background with far less media attention in Phoenix.