Berry Good Case on the QB Situation

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Bertrand Berry has been adding his 2 cents recently about the Cardinals' QB search.

Berry makes a very good argument that Vince Young would be the best choice---

Here is a summary of Berry's reasons:

1. "Young will come in hungry and will have a lot to prove."

2. "He is a double threat"...which, in light of the Cardinals' offensive line situation, makes Young all the more attractive.

3. "He went 12-7 as the starter in Tennessee the last two seasons---while the Titans went 2-11 in the same offense with their other QBs."

4. "In the same offense Young's passer rating was a good 88.1...while the other Titans' QB's rating was 73.2," which Berry calls "a significant difference."

Berry's thoughts about trading for Kevin Kolb:

1. "I don't want anyone else's castaways."

2. "The Eagles can't like Kolb too much if they want to trade him."

When Berry was apprised of the flaw in his "castaways" argument, in that Young can also be considered a castaway---Berry explained that there's a big difference in the scenarios in that with Kolb the Cardinals have to give up high draft picks (and a top $ contract for a player who hasn't proven himself yet)---assuming Young is released, as expected, the Cardinals wouldn't have to give up anything (and Young's contract would only be for top $ if he achieves certain incentives---no one is going to invest a ton of guaranteed $ in Young at this point).

Berry also points out that Young is a more proven commodity than Kolb.

In my opinion, the B-Train makes a Berry Good Case for Young. It's great that Berry's allegiance is still with the Cardinals---and that Berry clearly wants to see the Cardinals return to championship form.

I realize that some or even many of you question whether Vince Young would win over Whiz's trust and confidence. That's a very important question.

Would it be a slam dunk for Kolb to win over Whiz's trust and confidence?

There is no question that Vince Young has proven himself to be immature. But, if Bertrand Berry is correct in the notion that Young would be determined to prove himself---Berry might have correctly identified the best scenario for the Cardinals---

Imagine what Young's athleticism would mean to the Cardinals' offense---and imagine too what kind of pressure Young would put on opposing defenses and what they would have to do to prepare for the Cardinals.
 
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All valid points...but I will assure you Wiz would want no part in a QB that quit on his team like VY did in Tennessee!!! Case closed, move on & lets get a QB to lead this team.
 

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Hard to see the Cards bring in VY. Physically he is a tremendous talent, but mentally you have to wonder where he is. Will he make that commitment to give his full effort and buy into the system here?

But this staff brought in DA so ......
 

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I simply don't follow Berry's logic on the castoff thing. VY is truly a castoff and Kolb is a commodity that they are trying to get the most out of. Spin it any other way and it's just that, spin.

VY ... tick tick tick........BOOM
 

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I simply don't follow Berry's logic on the castoff thing. VY is truly a castoff and Kolb is a commodity that they are trying to get the most out of. Spin it any other way and it's just that, spin.

VY ... tick tick tick........BOOM

Yeah just like with every other Cardinal QB. The BOOM is sound of the unblocked pass rusher blowing up our QB. :(

Wait a minute. The Cards just used draft picks on yet another RB and a FB and now Berry is talking about the Cards getting Vince Young and...by Gawd we're going to run the Wishbone!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's the answer to our porous offensive line. Since we can't block 'em we'll just option 'em.
 
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Gil Brandt yesterday on SIRIUS pointed out that VY's accuracy deep is really impressive.

If it's true that the preferred Cardinal passing game is more "vertical" than west coast, Young would represent a better fit for us than Kolb (plus -he can motor).

The problem, of course, being that the Cards might feel comfortable with Young's "intangible" issues (and that's a Bingo).

One other thought - Wouldn't the decision on whom we bring in depend, in part, on how the Cardinal FO feels about Skelton? (i.e. If they truly believe the Fordham Flash has a future, wouldn't they be more prone to bringing in more of an elder statesman - Bulger-type - QB than a youngster like Kolb or a character questionmark like VY?
 

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I would choose Young over Kolb.

It wont cost us a pick, he would come at a cheap price. He already prove he can play unlike Kolb. The only arguement people really have is that he is a headcase.

Im willing to take a chance.
 

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But of course like every other Young proponent, he completely ignores Young's mental issues. Young blew it mentally and showed a complete lack of maturity.

Also Young had a very good running game and offensive line to take the pressure off of him nearly every season he played in Tennessee. Coming to Arizona, he won't have those luxuries, and I seriously doubt that he has the mental make up to get along with a demanding offensive minded coach like Whisenhunt.

Kolb a castoff from the Eagles? I'd say that Young is the real castoff; he completely lost the confidence of not only his coach, but the franchise and most of the fanbase all the while playing pretty well at times. You have to be a real turd to do that, and anyone who was close to the situation in Tennesse will tell you that Young is a grade A piece of crap.
 

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But of course like every other Young proponent, he completely ignores Young's mental issues. Young blew it mentally and showed a complete lack of maturity.

Beat me to it. IMO, Young has some serious psychological issues. Going AWOL on the team in 2009, alleged suicidal ideations in the past, fit of rage at a night club, and lackluster leadership. Is this the guy you want running your offense? He is a physical specimen, but without addressing the psychological concerns, he is akin to a Corvette with no engine.

Also Young had a very good running game and offensive line to take the pressure off of him nearly every season he played in Tennessee. Coming to Arizona, he won't have those luxuries, and I seriously doubt that he has the mental make up to get along with a demanding offensive minded coach like Whisenhunt.
Somewhat agree. He'll have to make more plays on the run when pass protection breaks down (mainly when Levi whiffs over and over again). That would be interesting to see.
Kolb a castoff from the Eagles? I'd say that Young is the real castoff; he completely lost the confidence of not only his coach, but the franchise and most of the fanbase all the while playing pretty well at times. You have to be a real turd to do that, and anyone who was close to the situation in Tennesse will tell you that Young is a grade A piece of crap.
Agree and Berry is off his rocker for saying Kolb is a "castoff." Unequivocally, this is a business decision on the Eagles part. They have an MVP caliber QB already on the roster (Vick Experience v. 2.0) and another QB whose value is very high. Kolb will not re-sign with the Eagles next season. He is starter quality and he knows it. What's the problem with the Eagles trying to get compensation for him instead of getting nothing after 2011? What could they get? A first round pick? Two second rounders? If they're lucky, an impact player? Who knows? But I would bet the barn it's more than one 2nd round pick, which is where he was drafted.

Young is going to be a castoff. He is going to get released after the CBA is completed and the team willing to take a cap hit for it. The Titans drafted a QB in the Top 10. That should tell you all you need to know about how Bud Adams and co. feel about VY.

Besides, what's the likelihood the Cards pick him up anyway? At this point, I want us to get Kevin Kolb just to piss everyone off on this board :D
 
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Also Young had a very good running game and offensive line to take the pressure off of him nearly every season he played in Tennessee.

So did the other Tennessee QBs. But they lost and VY won.

But Vince needs to go to a team where the fans only care about winning football games and not just having nice guys as players and the college draft. That's not Arizona. Just ask Matt Leinart.

:D

Actually I don't think that VY has the skills to play QB in today's NFL. You must have Pro Style passers. It's just the way the rules are set up.
 
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I'm gonna need some links before I believe any of this.. I haven't heard from Berry in a few years and all of a sudden he says this? who did he say this to? When did he say this? Links please...
 

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I'm gonna need some links before I believe any of this.. I haven't heard from Berry in a few years and all of a sudden he says this? who did he say this to? When did he say this? Links please...

Guest hosted Gambo and Ash the other day
 

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Guest hosted Gambo and Ash the other day

Sure wish I could read it or hear it.. Cuz the way Mitch put it down, it doesnt make Berry look too bright.. Maybe he's just a VY fan or something I dunno..
 

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Sure wish I could read it or hear it.. Cuz the way Mitch put it down, it doesnt make Berry look too bright.. Maybe he's just a VY fan or something I dunno..

It's on the KTAR webpage. www.ktar.com. Click on Sports, then Sports 620 Then Gambo and Ash, then on in the lower right quadrant click on "Jul 6- Berry likes Young'.

Sorry I can't give you a direct link. They did something that prevents hotlinking.
 

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Berry's thoughts about trading for Kevin Kolb:

1. "I don't want anyone else's castaways."

Uhh, Young isn't a castaway? :rolleyes:
 

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Didn't Collins go something like 10-2 after Young had his 1st meltdown?

Young injured his knee he didn't have a meltdown. And like what happened in Arizona with Leinart and Warner after Matt's injury, Fisher decided to stick with Collins who promptly when 0-6 as starter the following season and VY came in and went 8-2 including this:

On November 29, 2009, Young led the Titans on a two minute thirty-seven second, ninety-nine yard drive at the end of their game against the Arizona Cardinals, capping it with a game-winning touchdown pass to Kenny Britt as time expired. :(

Collins record since VY was drafted, outside of 2008, 3-14. So overall KC was 15-17 while VY went 30-17 in the same circumstances.
 
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Young injured his knee he didn't have a meltdown. And like what happened in Arizona with Leinart and Warner after Matt's injury, Fisher decided to stick with Collins who promptly when 0-6 as starter the following season and VY came in and went 8-2 including this:

On November 29, 2009, Young led the Titans on a two minute thirty-seven second, ninety-nine yard drive at the end of their game against the Arizona Cardinals, capping it with a game-winning touchdown pass to Kenny Britt as time expired. :(

Collins record since VY was drafted, outside of 2008, 3-14. So overall KC was 15-17 while VY went 30-17 in the same circumstances.

2:37 is a number that will haunt cardinal fans forever............cut it out.
 
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