Authoritative 2025 Starting QB Power Ranking/Tiers

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Tier 1: The Elite
1. Patrick Mahomes, KC - He's not the GOAT yet, but he's definitely GOAT-shaped.
2. Lamar Jackson, BAL - An absolute unicorn. You should be suspicious of anyone who tries to diminsh his greatness.
3. Josh Allen, BUF - I can't remember a guy who went from meme to MVP the way Allen has the past few years. Made the Other Josh Allen change his name.
4. Joe Burrow, CIN - Kind of the most tenuous member of this tier. If he doesn't make the playoffs this year gets a real "are we sure he's that good?" sticker on him. Fun to watch though.

Tier 2: Franchise QBs
5. Jalen Hurts, PHI - Super Bowl MVP most likely to be featured in the "Is He Elite" conversation for the next five years.
6. Matt Stafford, LAR - Hall of Famer and Super Bowl Champ that Cards fans like to pretend is, like, Kirk Cousins.
7. Justin Herbert, LAC - In some ways he's like What if Marcus Mariota went to a good franchise, but also he's on the cursed Chargers. I believe in Jim Harbaugh.
8. Brock Purdy, SFO - When he has enough career pass attempts to qualify he'll have the highest YPA in the NFL (or something). Purdy probably looks like Daniel Jones with all but five playcallers. But he plays for Kyle Shanhan.
9. Jared Goff, DET - His eyes are too close together so he's always going to choke when it matters.
10. Dak Prescott, DAL - Both overrated and underrated because he plays for Dallas. I look forward to his two-year stint with the Colts starting in 2029.
11. Baker Mayfield, TBB - What a weird journey he's been on. His value is a little inflated for playing in the NFC South but on the other hand can't argue with making and winning in the playoffs.
12. Geno Smith, LVR - Geno Smith had five starts in eight seasons and still found a way to throw for over 4200 yards in two seasons while Kyler has yet to have one. He completed over 70% of his passes last season with a 7.5 YPA with a shakier offensive line than Arizona's.
13. Jordan Love, GBP - It's easy to look at one good season (or half-season) and then project a jump to greatness. A lot of people fell into that trap last season. I kind of expect Love to bounce back next year.

Tier 3: It's the hope that kills you
14. Kyler Murray, ARI - The biggest problem with Kyler is that so many players have risen above him during the course of his brief career. How do you let Geno Smith make you look like a chump, bruh?
15. Trevor Lawrence, JAX - I always thought he was overrated as a prospect. Kind of reminds me of Charmin as a guy who didn't have clear flaws but didn't really have a ton of outstanding qualities, either. The heir apparent to Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr.
16. Tua Tagovailoa, MIA - He lead the NFL in passing two years ago. Empty calorie offense.

Tier 4: Too soon to know for sure
17. Jayden Daniels, WAS - Most rankings will have him much higher, but I have some skepticism because of...
18. C.J. Stroud, HOU - ... Who is another guy who had a good first year and reverted to the mean. He wasn't gonna pass for 4100+ yards and only throw 5 INTs every year forever.
19. Caleb Williams, CHI - I still believe! People who complain about Kliff should look more closely at the mess Caleb Williams got dropped into.
20. Drake Maye, NEP - We just went through a bizarre Mac Jones cycle, so I'm kind of pumping the brakes here.
21. J.J. McCarthy, MIN - I liked him coming out of Michigan. He's in a great situation, but I have to see it from the young kid.
22. Bo Nix, DEN - This old man shows what can happen when you're dropped into a good situation. He's basically older than I am. 3700 yards with 6.7 YPA.
23. Cam Ward, TEN - I think he'll do well. His floor is probably Nix and his ceiling is very high.
24. Michael Penix, ATL - Not much you can take from his three starts, TBH. Kind of dropped into a mess.
25. Bryce Young, CAR - I don't see how he becomes a top 10 QB regardless of situation.
26. Anthony Richardson, IND - I still believe this guy can be more than Jacoby Brisset but it wasn't a great look going to the sideline because he's tired. Kyler just calls a run when he's tired.

Tier 5: Credibly Washed-ish
27. Sam Darnold, SEA - Darnold is two months older than Kyler Murray.
28. Justin Fields, NYJ - Justin Fields is 14 months older than Michael Penix, Jr.
29. Russell Wilson, NYG - Mr. Limited.

Tier 6: Whatever the Browns are doing
30. Joe Flacco, CLE - This is who OurLads has as the top QB in Cleveland. Imagine being a WR who's career is in the hands of 40 year-old Joe Flacco. Is he elite, though?
31. Mason Rudolph, PIT - Rudolph has near 700 career passing attempts and no one remembers any of them. The top Rudolph memory is when he squared up Myles Garrett.
32. Tyler Shough, NO - My guy backed up Justin Herbert at Oregon. Herbert is entering his sixth NFL season. Go Chandler Wolves. You suck Shough.
 

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basically, you are wrong and this, below, is right.


Cream of the crop
1 - Pat
2 - Allen
3 - Lamar
4 - Burrow

Trucks
5 - Stafford
6 - Herbert
7 - Hurts
8 - Dak
9 - Baker

Trailers
10 - Daniels
11 - Goff
12 - Geno (and Geno might still be too low) (EDIT: we have Geno the same lol)
13 - Purdy
14 - Stroud
15 - Love

Purgatory but maybe
16 - Kyler
17 - Trevor
18 - Tua

maybe...lol
EDIT ... I left Purdy out
 
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basically, you are wrong and this, below, is right.


Cream of the crop
1 - Pat
2 - Allen
3 - Lamar
4 - Burrow

Trucks
5 - Stafford
6 - Herbert
7 - Hurts
8 - Dak
9 - Baker

Trailers
10 - Daniels
11 - Goff
12 - Geno (and Geno might still be too low) (EDIT: we have Geno the same lol)
13 - Purdy
14 - Stroud
15 - Love

Purgatory but maybe
16 - Kyler
17 - Trevor
18 - Tua

maybe...lol
EDIT ... I left Purdy out
Bro you just showed your keister on the internet. Look at the thread title. My ranking is authoritative.

THAT SAID -- I think the tiers are fine. You can shuffle names within the tiers without too much disruption. I'm not going to overrank rookies and second-year players when the sample size is too small. 12 months ago you probably have Love where Daniels is and Hurts ranked with Goff.
 
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technically you're the average (with a very small sample size)

i think asfn as a whole has him around 12 once all the bims and 25s cancel each other out

Your mom is average.

The definitive ranking has Kyler @ 15

Your mom is @ 15

Joking aside, the point of the exercise is to argue "I think Kyler's better than [Dak and Baker] so I have him at 12" or "No way Kyler is better than [Jayden and Stroud] so he's a below-average starter."

I'm interested in the arguments that support Kyler being in the same tier as Justin Herbert. Herbert obliterates him in every passing category (and total yardage if you want to add in rushing).
 

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Your mom is average.



Your mom is @ 15

Joking aside, the point of the exercise is to argue "I think Kyler's better than [Dak and Baker] so I have him at 12" or "No way Kyler is better than [Jayden and Stroud] so he's a below-average starter."

I'm interested in the arguments that support Kyler being in the same tier as Justin Herbert. Herbert obliterates him in every passing category (and total yardage if you want to add in rushing).
At 81, my mom would be thrilled to be at 15.
 
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It's kind of crazy that the elite QB tier is so small right now. I went back to 2017 (asked a random number generator to give me a year between 2005 and 2020) and looked at the passers. Eight 4000+ yard passers (vs six in 2024).

What's crazy is there were only six passers completing over 65% of their passes (Stafford, Brady, Josh McCown(!!!!!!!), Alex Smith, Case Keenum (!!!!!!!!!!!!), and Drew Brees (who completed 72% of his passes at a league-leading 8.1 YPA). Last year the league average completion percentage was 65.3%.

Eight players last year averaged over eight yards per attempt, which is crazy. The league average passer rating last season was 92.3 compared to 86.9 in 2017.

So while the quality of QB play is objectively better today, 2017 had Brady, Rivers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Mr. Unlimited, and Cam Newton, plus MVP-caliber QBs like Stafford, Matt Ryan. Maybe I'm recency-biased.
 

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The video would be more impressive if they just used dry wood and leaves to get it started.
 

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These are always tricky.

My hottest of hot takes is Matt Stafford is #5. Herbert is 6. Hurts is 7.

I also probably have Geno, Dak, and Baker slightly higher. Those situations have been fairly chaotic unlike the easy mode rosters Goff, Purdy and Hurts have fallen into.
This is laughable.

Herbert over a Super Bowl MVP winner, and been to the Super Bowl twice.

This love affair with Herbert is beyond gross.

Right now Mahomes is the only better QB leading a team than Hurts and even he has been outplayed by him in every game they have faced each other.

K1 no doubt is a tier 2 guy.
 
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This is laughable.

Herbert over a Super Bowl MVP winner, and been to the Super Bowl twice.

This love affair with Herbert is beyond gross.

Right now Mahomes is the only better QB leading a team than Hurts and even he has been outplayed by him in every game they have faced each other.

K1 no doubt is a tier 2 guy.
Very good and measured take.

 

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Bro you just showed your keister on the internet. Look at the thread title. My ranking is authoritative.

THAT SAID -- I think the tiers are fine. You can shuffle names within the tiers without too much disruption. I'm not going to overrank rookies and second-year players when the sample size is too small. 12 months ago you probably have Love where Daniels is and Hurts ranked with Goff.
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