Artest to the Rockets

[Cheesewater]

I don't know of many people at all that would call the cops when someone throws a beer on them. Not sure where you are going here.

You asked me if I was aware that throwing beer on Artest was committing a crime. My response is that qualifying the beer-throwing as a crime probably has no relevance to someone who is "ghetto".

I can understand Artest's reaction. I think a lot of other people can to.

I can certainly understand it. It is still irrational.

Assume someone threw a drink at you at the bar. Are you going to walk away? Call the cops? Confront them? What?

Assuming some facts not in evidence, my initial reaction would be to become angry. I would likely then try to get an explanation. I would then walk away (at least figuratively). If someone throws beer on you, you immediately have evidence that the thrower is irrational and immature. Getting into a violent confrontation is not going to make anyone feel better. If you feel disrespected because a stranger threw beer on you, you might be dealing with low self-esteem. It's much worse when someone who knows something about you personally disrespects you. Then it is a judgement based on intelligence, information or knowledge. No doubt the beer-throwers are morons.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You asked me if I was aware that throwing beer on Artest was committing a crime. My response is that qualifying the beer-throwing as a crime probably has no relevance to someone who is "ghetto".



I can certainly understand it. It is still irrational.



Assuming some facts not in evidence, my initial reaction would be to become angry. I would likely then try to get an explanation. I would then walk away (at least figuratively). If someone throws beer on you, you immediately have evidence that the thrower is irrational and immature. Getting into a violent confrontation is not going to make anyone feel better. If you feel disrespected because a stranger threw beer on you, you might be dealing with low self-esteem. It's much worse when someone who knows something about you personally disrespects you. Then it is a judgement based on intelligence, information or knowledge. No doubt the beer-throwers are morons.

dreamcastrocks thinks this is funny.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I don't know of many people at all that would call the cops when someone throws a beer on them. Not sure where you are going here.

I can understand Artest's reaction. I think a lot of other people can to.

Assume someone threw a drink at you at the bar. Are you going to walk away? Call the cops? Confront them? What?

Geez, are we failing to see the difference between a guy 5 feet away from you throwing a beer at you in a bar... and a man making around 100k bucks for one night of work rushing the arena stands on national television to dispense haymakers on unsuspecting and innocent victims (he didnt even punch the guy who threw the beer.)

If you understand Artest's reaction, you may just be severely lacking in social awareness comprehension.

FAIL.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Geez, are we failing to see the difference between a guy 5 feet away from you throwing a beer at you in a bar... and a man making around 100k bucks for one night of work rushing the arena stands on national television to dispense haymakers on unsuspecting and innocent victims (he didnt even punch the guy who threw the beer.)

If you understand Artest's reaction, you may just be severely lacking in social awareness comprehension.

FAIL.

Stop. If we can equate two different people in the same circumstances that make different amounts of money, we can equate two people in the same situation in two different locations.

 

[mojorizen7]

The amount of money you make, shouldn't correlate with how much abuse you have to put up with.

Agreed.
(The Brawl)Artest was instigated,lost his cool and retaliated....it's easy to say "I'd have shown some restraint."

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Agreed.
(The Brawl)Artest was instigated,lost his cool and retaliated....it's easy to say "I'd have shown some restraint."

It's like this. Let's say someone kidnapped one of my children. When confronted with them, I might kill them. Is that socially acceptable? No. Is it understandable? Yes.

Some of you guys need to come down off of your moral high horse.

 

[Chaplin]

The amount of money you make, shouldn't correlate with how much abuse you have to put up with.

He's a celebrity, as much as people don't want to admit it, he's in the limelight and there is a certain amount of decorum one must observe when in the public eye. I agree that dollar amounts make no difference.

Yes, that idiot fan shouldn't have thrown beer on him, but there's a reason the arena has security--he should have let them handle it instead of making the situation worse. The spotlight is on him, this isn't some obscure disagreement between fans--this is a full-on brawl between an idiotic average joe and a guy who towers over him and is built like a freight train. You wanna fight? Take up boxing--professional athletes have a responsibility, and Artest spit at that responsibility and became nothing more than a thug--a thug who in most cases, cannot be stopped, and that is a VERY dangerous thing to be.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He's a celebrity, as much as people don't want to admit it, he's in the limelight and there is a certain amount of decorum one must observe when in the public eye. I agree that dollar amounts make no difference.

Yes, that idiot fan shouldn't have thrown beer on him, but there's a reason the arena has security--he should have let them handle it instead of making the situation worse. The spotlight is on him, this isn't some obscure disagreement between fans--this is a full-on brawl between an idiotic average joe and a guy who towers over him and is built like a freight train. You wanna fight? Take up boxing--professional athletes have a responsibility, and Artest spit at that responsibility and became nothing more than a thug--a thug who in most cases, cannot be stopped, and that is a VERY dangerous thing to be.

That's true, if you want to stay in the good graces of the public eye. I don't think people like Artest care what we think about him, good or bad.

 

[Chaplin]

That's true, if you want to stay in the good graces of the public eye. I don't think people like Artest care what we think about him, good or bad.

You're probably right, but that doesn't really hurt my argument. You are absolutely correct that dollars and cents don't matter, but whether he likes it or not, he has a responsibility, and if he doesn't take that seriously, he should suffer the consequences.

 

[Cheesewater]

It's like this. Let's say someone kidnapped one of my children. When confronted with them, I might kill them. Is that socially acceptable? No. Is it understandable? Yes.

Some of you guys need to come down off of your moral high horse.

Why is it necessary for your response to be so elevated? I'm not suggesting that you should instead kidnap one of their children, but surely you can see the disconnect between TWO crimes. If confronted with the kidnappers of your children, you do what it takes to facilitate proper legal assignation of justice and punishment. I realize our society has been on the decline since the 50's but I really wish we were above overreacting. We have gotten used to not simply seeking justice, but making a profit as well. Not only will you pay the accepted price for kidnapping or splashing beer, but I will take your life or some blood from your lower lip. It's a form of greed I suppose.

Are you familiar with the phrase "Two wrongs don't make a right?" Furthermore, jumping into the stands and physically assaulting a person, an irrationally elevated response to being splashed with beer, instead of letting the enforcement in place take control is simply ignorant. I'm glad he's not on the Suns.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You're probably right, but that doesn't really hurt my argument. You are absolutely correct that dollars and cents don't matter, but whether he likes it or not, he has a responsibility, and if he doesn't take that seriously, he should suffer the consequences.

I'm not even saying that his consequences were unjustified. He deserved them. I can just understand why he would have the reaction that he did.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Why is it necessary for your response to be so elevated? I'm not suggesting that you should instead kidnap one of their children, but surely you can see the disconnect between TWO crimes. If confronted with the kidnappers of your children, you do what it takes to facilitate proper legal assignation of justice and punishment. I realize our society has been on the decline since the 50's but I really wish we were above overreacting. We have gotten used to not simply seeking justice, but making a profit as well. Not only will you pay the accepted price for kidnapping or splashing beer, but I will take your life or some blood from your lower lip. It's a form of greed I suppose.

Are you familiar with the phrase "Two wrongs don't make a right?" Furthermore, jumping into the stands and physically assaulting a person, an irrationally elevated response to being splashed with beer, instead of letting the enforcement in place take control is simply ignorant. I'm glad he's not on the Suns.

Elevated? Nah.

The socially acceptable thing to do would be to let the law decide on justice. For others, the law isn't enough. If it is a kidnapping, or someone throwing a beer, some people react to their situations without thinking about consequences. I can understand where he is coming from. If you can't that's ok.

Of course I am familiar with the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right." Are you familiar with the phrase "eye for an eye?" Some people have different ways of dealing with things.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Rapidly losing braincells.

No matter how much of ANY liquid is poured on you, you should not rush into the stands of a secured arena on national television to vent your anger on innocent people.

That would make you an idiot.

 

[Cheesewater]

Elevated? Nah.

I hope you know that I meant not that your written response was elevated...I meant your response to murder the kidnapper was elevated.

The socially acceptable thing to do would be to let the law decide on justice. For others, the law isn't enough. If it is a kidnapping, or someone throwing a beer, some people react to their situations without thinking about consequences. I can understand where he is coming from. If you can't that's ok.

It's more than just "socially acceptable". I can understand where he is coming from, too...he's ignorant.

Of course I am familiar with the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right." Are you familiar with the phrase "eye for an eye?" Some people have different ways of dealing with things.

Yes. "An eye for an eye" means equal justice. Murdering a kidnapper is not equal justice. Pummeling the (wrong) beer-thrower is not equal justice. I agree, Artest simply overreacted without thinking of the consequences Which kind of defines "ignorant"...ignorant of the consequences. In fact, if he cannot realize the mistake in the time it took him to get up to the beer-thrower, he is more than just ignorant.

 

[shazaam6]

hmmm. idiot. ok but if I threw beer in someone's face and they gave me a black eye I would not think, "Hey I only threw liquid on you so you have to throw liquid on me or you can't hit me, or better yet--wait for security to come and get me." That thinking is stupid. Your ass gets beat for doing something stupid. That is how you learn to behave. Not by dragging it through the courts. Put me on the jury for one of these please.

What if I spit on you, it wouldn't hurt and could be wiped off easily so no big deal? Right

I justify Artest going into the stands. Throw your drink on him, which is a bitch move btw, and you are picking a fight. Too bad for anyone delusional enough to think they can fight these professional athletes. You will lose.

Blame everyone but yourself when the trouble was started by you.

Stupid society where no one is accountable for their own actions.

Stupid motorist laws..... I guess it is a start.
Stupid fans laws
...wait

I just found the idiot fan's defense. He thought it was all fake, like wrestling, and they are allowed to throw stuff at those "athletes." He is justified because Donahay confessed the NBA is corrupt.

Case dismissed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The amount of money you make, shouldn't correlate with how much abuse you have to put up with.

how about pounding the right guy? should that correlate with something? didn't he pound the wrong dude?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes abuse. What you call it? Do you realize that they actually commited a crime throwing their beer at Artest?

on the one hand you want to invoke the law, and on the other you want to ignore it? his run into the stands and random beat down is not classifiable as "self defense" it's assault. but if you're ghetto and keepin' it real i guess that doesn't matter.

we're adults. and we live in a civilized society. must we revert to savage behavior at all turns? i'm jewish and i think christ (or whomever it was in the new testament) had it right with turn the other cheek. be an adult. control yourself.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

see reason for editing

 

[tobiazz]

how about pounding the right guy? should that correlate with something? didn't he pound the wrong dude?

Correct.

EDIT: But I think he pounded the correct TV camera that happened to be near him in the tunnel, so he's at 50%

 

[Splinters81]

Assuming some facts not in evidence, my initial reaction would be to become angry. I would likely then try to get an explanation. I would then walk away (at least figuratively). If someone throws beer on you, you immediately have evidence that the thrower is irrational and immature. Getting into a violent confrontation is not going to make anyone feel better. If you feel disrespected because a stranger threw beer on you, you might be dealing with low self-esteem. It's much worse when someone who knows something about you personally disrespects you. Then it is a judgement based on intelligence, information or knowledge. No doubt the beer-throwers are morons.

I could not agree more. Yeah it was disrespectful, yeah I would have been pissed, but Ron needed to be the bigger man. As it stood, Wallace pretty much attacked him first. He could have done nothing at that very point in time and that would have changed his image for the rest of his life.

Hell, this thread would not be thread. Let me ask what you do for a living? Your right Eff the money it is not about money, it is about being a professional. Would you go and attack someone at work or a customer, or would you say WTF, and let them suffer their own consequences instead of creating your own.

See the problem is, this world is full of people who think they are bad asses, well low self esteem is the best way to describe you.

 

[Splinters81]

It's like this. Let's say someone kidnapped one of my children. When confronted with them, I might kill them. Is that socially acceptable? No. Is it understandable? Yes.

Some of you guys need to come down off of your moral high horse.

Would you still be incarcerated...... yes? Would it have been worth it.....No.

This utmost ridiculous comparison I have ever heard.

Ron was not right, the fan was not right, Wallace was not right. But hey, both of those guys would have been punished but after everything went down, Ron got the worst punishment of. Was it worth it... in his mind yes. Well he is nut job.

 

[mojorizen7]

how about pounding the right guy? should that correlate with something? didn't he pound the wrong dude?

Well there was alot of drunk-ass white guys feeling 10 beers brave repeatedly yelling "**** you!"to Ron Ron.....he probably just went after the first one he saw.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I hope you know that I meant not that your written response was elevated...I meant your response to murder the kidnapper was elevated.



It's more than just "socially acceptable". I can understand where he is coming from, too...he's ignorant.



Yes. "An eye for an eye" means equal justice. Murdering a kidnapper is not equal justice. Pummeling the (wrong) beer-thrower is not equal justice. I agree, Artest simply overreacted without thinking of the consequences Which kind of defines "ignorant"...ignorant of the consequences. In fact, if he cannot realize the mistake in the time it took him to get up to the beer-thrower, he is more than just ignorant.

We're cool. It wasn't a pummeling, it was a haymaker that missed. That's like saying Shaq pummeled Brad Miller when he threw that haymaker. if Shaq might have connected he might have killed him. You say that he was ignorant of the consequences. Maybe he was oblivious. Maybe he didn't care about the consequences. That doesn't make him ignorant. Foolish maybe.

how about pounding the right guy? should that correlate with something? didn't he pound the wrong dude?

Yeah, he threw a punch at the wrong guy.

on the one hand you want to invoke the law, and on the other you want to ignore it? his run into the stands and random beat down is not classifiable as "self defense" it's assault. but if you're ghetto and keepin' it real i guess that doesn't matter.

we're adults. and we live in a civilized society. must we revert to savage behavior at all turns? i'm jewish and i think christ (or whomever it was in the new testament) had it right with turn the other cheek. be an adult. control yourself.

No, I was just pointing out a law had been broken. Just because a law has been broken, doesn't mean that I think society as a whole, or a government should be the only ones serving out justice. I'd say, throwing a beer and someone unprovoked would be savage behavior, no?

Would you still be incarcerated...... yes? Would it have been worth it.....No.

This utmost ridiculous comparison I have ever heard.

Ron was not right, the fan was not right, Wallace was not right. But hey, both of those guys would have been punished but after everything went down, Ron got the worst punishment of. Was it worth it... in his mind yes. Well he is nut job.

Worth it??? Depends on the person. Would it be worth it to you to buy a Holda Accord when you can buy a Hyundai with similar features for thousands less? Determining worth is very subjective and differs with the person. Don't act like it is finite. It isn't.

I have never defended Ron here. I have just said I knew where he was coming from. I understand his reaction. I never said that he didn't deserve the punishmnent he deserved. IMO some actions are worth possible consequences if it is to prove a point, or to stand up for your morals/principles.

 

[Splinters81]

Worth it??? Depends on the person. Would it be worth it to you to buy a Holda Accord when you can buy a Hyundai with similar features for thousands less?

Your the king of bad comparisons, first you compare a kidnapper and murder to Artest losing his head and running into the stands, now you compare a Honda (hopefully that is what you meant cause the L really isn't by the N so I am not sure if it was a typo) to a Hyundai.

Your asking an ex Honda tech that question, my answer is HELL YES, Hyundai is a crap car that breaks, loses value and is made in Korea. Next question?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Worth it??? Depends on the person. Would it be worth it to you to buy a Holda Accord when you can buy a Hyundai with similar features for thousands less?


Your the king of bad comparisons, first you compare a kidnapper and murder to Artest losing his head and running into the stands, now you compare a Honda (hopefully that is what you meant cause the L really isn't by the N so I am not sure if it was a typo) to a Hyundai.

Your asking an ex Honda tech that question, my answer is HELL YES, Hyundai is a crap car that breaks, loses value and is made in Korea. Next question?

And you are the king of not seeing analogies for what they are.