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Doesn't bother me. However, when I see someone posting anti-Cards stuff, I just go on to the next post. Scorp, your decision makes it easier for the rest of us, who are really here to get some constructive information on the Cards and not wade through a mass of what we do not want to read. Go Cards!!
And, a personal thanks to you Scorp for all you're doing.
And, a personal thanks to you Scorp for all you're doing.
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good job Skkorp...life is too short to put up with continued boorish behavior. As many here have already noted, most message boards on the net are unreadable because of trolls and infighting. This place is generally the best for what we all look for--Card news
Thanks for your hard work
Thanks for your hard work
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Negativity? Or Immaturity?
I hope you all will indulge me while I temporarily convert this topic into a "How's This Site Doing" thread.
First of all, Skkorp is doing a crackerjack job - using diplomacy, maturity and an occasional iron fist to keep this board viable, while bringing in features which we could only have dreamed about as recently as a year ago.
Second - It's not so much the negativity that bums me out. (There's nothing wrong with a hard core fan occasionally emitting a bellow of genuine pain). I think has more to do with immaturity.
Note - My intention isn't to point critical fingers at anyone - but rather to give you a glimpse about how I feel when I read certain stuff. (No doubt each of you have different buttons that people can push to set you off). Some of my pet peeves -
- Personal attacks. (To disagree for valid reasons is cool. To call someone an idiot because he disagrees with you is a waste of site space).
- Endless back and forth personal attacks - usually followed by contrition and apologies somewhere around Post #45. (B-o-ring!)
- "April Fools" hoax breaking news dressed up to look like KFFL.
- Irrelevent stuff - While even some of the non-football visual gimmickry is pretty hilarious, roughly 80% of it isn't that good and has nothing to do with the Cardinals.
- Teaser Headlines (I've started to skip those threads unless I'm really bored and have a lot of time on my hands).
- Stating rumor or opinion as fact. There's nothing wrong with folks stating an opinion or saying they "heard something somewhere", but when it comes across as gospel when it really isn't, it drives some of us nuts. (i.e. when I ask: "What's your source?" it's not because I don't believe you - or that you have to remember every single source of everything you ever heard - but if you recall, tell us - so we can judge its accuracy for ourselves)
- Polls - Hey! Continue to publish them if that's what gets through the night. But, personally, I tend to skip most those threads.
Third - The greatest thing since sliced bread are your, Joe's and other first-hand accounts of Camp.
But instead of recapping interviews given by Mac and Sully to the media in general (since they are usually covered fairly well by the print media and official Cardinal website), I'd love to read more of Jo's first-hand accounts of "what it's like to be there" - Jo is particularly good at painting a portrait so clear that you can practically feel the heat and smell the smoked bratwurst.
Fourth - Darren Urban stole a bit of my thunder today, but I was thinking about this last night - How about running a weekly series called "Anatomy of a Play" where (with permission of the Cards) you take one play out of the Cardinal playbook and analyze its terminology, roles/assignments of key players, keys that players must on the lookout, what the QB should look for etc.
Or, if analyzing a play is considered tantamount to giving away atomic secrets, how about at least a "Glossary" of Terms, which explain the meaning of Tango, Bingo, (How about Bango or Bongo?), Twist, Cover 2, Under, Sky, Cloud, X, Y, Z, Red Formation, Brown Formation, Sam, Mike, Will, Jets, Lead etc.?
I've been thinking of posting something like that on the BRS, but I do not have "eyes and ears" to directly obtain this info. You do.
Anyway - "To Kerouac or not to Kerouac" is your call, Jim. We trust you. Continue to kick butt.
I hope you all will indulge me while I temporarily convert this topic into a "How's This Site Doing" thread.
First of all, Skkorp is doing a crackerjack job - using diplomacy, maturity and an occasional iron fist to keep this board viable, while bringing in features which we could only have dreamed about as recently as a year ago.
Second - It's not so much the negativity that bums me out. (There's nothing wrong with a hard core fan occasionally emitting a bellow of genuine pain). I think has more to do with immaturity.
Note - My intention isn't to point critical fingers at anyone - but rather to give you a glimpse about how I feel when I read certain stuff. (No doubt each of you have different buttons that people can push to set you off). Some of my pet peeves -
- Personal attacks. (To disagree for valid reasons is cool. To call someone an idiot because he disagrees with you is a waste of site space).
- Endless back and forth personal attacks - usually followed by contrition and apologies somewhere around Post #45. (B-o-ring!)
- "April Fools" hoax breaking news dressed up to look like KFFL.
- Irrelevent stuff - While even some of the non-football visual gimmickry is pretty hilarious, roughly 80% of it isn't that good and has nothing to do with the Cardinals.
- Teaser Headlines (I've started to skip those threads unless I'm really bored and have a lot of time on my hands).
- Stating rumor or opinion as fact. There's nothing wrong with folks stating an opinion or saying they "heard something somewhere", but when it comes across as gospel when it really isn't, it drives some of us nuts. (i.e. when I ask: "What's your source?" it's not because I don't believe you - or that you have to remember every single source of everything you ever heard - but if you recall, tell us - so we can judge its accuracy for ourselves)
- Polls - Hey! Continue to publish them if that's what gets through the night. But, personally, I tend to skip most those threads.
Third - The greatest thing since sliced bread are your, Joe's and other first-hand accounts of Camp.
But instead of recapping interviews given by Mac and Sully to the media in general (since they are usually covered fairly well by the print media and official Cardinal website), I'd love to read more of Jo's first-hand accounts of "what it's like to be there" - Jo is particularly good at painting a portrait so clear that you can practically feel the heat and smell the smoked bratwurst.
Fourth - Darren Urban stole a bit of my thunder today, but I was thinking about this last night - How about running a weekly series called "Anatomy of a Play" where (with permission of the Cards) you take one play out of the Cardinal playbook and analyze its terminology, roles/assignments of key players, keys that players must on the lookout, what the QB should look for etc.
Or, if analyzing a play is considered tantamount to giving away atomic secrets, how about at least a "Glossary" of Terms, which explain the meaning of Tango, Bingo, (How about Bango or Bongo?), Twist, Cover 2, Under, Sky, Cloud, X, Y, Z, Red Formation, Brown Formation, Sam, Mike, Will, Jets, Lead etc.?
I've been thinking of posting something like that on the BRS, but I do not have "eyes and ears" to directly obtain this info. You do.
Anyway - "To Kerouac or not to Kerouac" is your call, Jim. We trust you. Continue to kick butt.
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Sounds good to me. Sort of how it works in this country.
Lars the Red
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I get sick of the 'civil liberty/free speech' crap that many fall back on. We forget that sites like this are not a right, they are a privilege. We don't have the right to post, we have the opportunity.
I am greatful for the opportunity. This is a simple thing that gives us a chance to share ideas and opinions, and I for one really enjoy the break from the real world. Thanks Skorp.
I am greatful for the opportunity. This is a simple thing that gives us a chance to share ideas and opinions, and I for one really enjoy the break from the real world. Thanks Skorp.
Skkorp,
I love this site & do not wish anything bad to happen to it. It has been great being here & will continue to be great because of "your" vision. Keep up the good work....
I love this site & do not wish anything bad to happen to it. It has been great being here & will continue to be great because of "your" vision. Keep up the good work....
Re: Negativity? Or Immaturity?
I think having been down at the facility and seen the signs on the walls, the phrase "When Hell Freezes Over" comes to mind, when descibing the likelyhood of this happening
Maybe next offseaon we could get the to discect somebody elses play for us
I think having been down at the facility and seen the signs on the walls, the phrase "When Hell Freezes Over" comes to mind, when descibing the likelyhood of this happening
Maybe next offseaon we could get the to discect somebody elses play for us
Jttsaz
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Cool with me!
I love comming here....I won't lose sleep over him(or her) beng banned!
I love comming here....I won't lose sleep over him(or her) beng banned!
Ouchie-Z-Clown
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first of all - whew - i was worried that this may be the first of the mob-bannings. i really don't know what i'd do without this site. it is the first thing i check in the morning and it affords me a bit of sanity (or, at the very least, a release of my insanity) throughout the day.
i gotta say, though i respect skorp's right to ban as he pleases (yes, it's his forum, and he can take his ball home if wants - heck, i know i've done analogous stuff in my day), i'm just not one for banning. and that means anyone. heck, i don't even mind nem (yeah, yeah, blasphemy!). if you look close enough, most people usually have at least a kernel of sumpin' to offer, the rest of it can be discarded like the pennysavers that infilitrate my mailbox daily. i'm actually sad to see kerouac go (but that could be due to the fact that he generally supported my contentions - i just hate having my minions thinned out!).
all that said, i am sorry if many of you find my negativity wearing. just as skorp said he's more negative than most of us realize, i am NOT as negative as most of you probably perceive. in fact, though i don't think our wrs are gonna be good this year, i'm excited that we're young at the position and do recognize the potential that is waiting there to be unlocked. i also am excited to see blake throw sumpin' other than a behind-the-back-no-look-pass (though it was entertaining at the time). see, not to negative. i think most of my (and i'll speak only for myself here) negativity surfaces only in response to the overwhelming positive-feel-good-happy-happy-joy-joy-who-cares-that-no-one-in-our-receiving-crew-has-never-caught-more-than-25-passes-in-a-season-or-that-we-finished-29th-in-both-offense-and-defense-sentiments pervade the board. it's a natural desire to offer balance.
finally, i don't begrudge the cardinal-kool-aiders their optimism, and it makes me sad that my views are viewed as "negative" when I just think they are realistic. what i do take umbrage with is the personalization of attacks. i try not to make anything i do personal (unless it's meant to be funny, and let's face it, as cardinals die-hards, we HAVE to have a sense of humor here). however the personal attacks are not confined to the darksiders or the cardinal-kool-aiders. you find those attacks amongst both sides (and, dare i say, i think the kool-aiders are a bit more vicious). i think those are the individuals that should be warned of bannings. but all this is just my two-cents (or a dollar-fifty).
so skorp, thanks for all you do. i hope the cards (or folks that call me "spoiled") never drive me to do anything that will get me banned. Vive la ASFN!
i gotta say, though i respect skorp's right to ban as he pleases (yes, it's his forum, and he can take his ball home if wants - heck, i know i've done analogous stuff in my day), i'm just not one for banning. and that means anyone. heck, i don't even mind nem (yeah, yeah, blasphemy!). if you look close enough, most people usually have at least a kernel of sumpin' to offer, the rest of it can be discarded like the pennysavers that infilitrate my mailbox daily. i'm actually sad to see kerouac go (but that could be due to the fact that he generally supported my contentions - i just hate having my minions thinned out!).
all that said, i am sorry if many of you find my negativity wearing. just as skorp said he's more negative than most of us realize, i am NOT as negative as most of you probably perceive. in fact, though i don't think our wrs are gonna be good this year, i'm excited that we're young at the position and do recognize the potential that is waiting there to be unlocked. i also am excited to see blake throw sumpin' other than a behind-the-back-no-look-pass (though it was entertaining at the time). see, not to negative. i think most of my (and i'll speak only for myself here) negativity surfaces only in response to the overwhelming positive-feel-good-happy-happy-joy-joy-who-cares-that-no-one-in-our-receiving-crew-has-never-caught-more-than-25-passes-in-a-season-or-that-we-finished-29th-in-both-offense-and-defense-sentiments pervade the board. it's a natural desire to offer balance.
finally, i don't begrudge the cardinal-kool-aiders their optimism, and it makes me sad that my views are viewed as "negative" when I just think they are realistic. what i do take umbrage with is the personalization of attacks. i try not to make anything i do personal (unless it's meant to be funny, and let's face it, as cardinals die-hards, we HAVE to have a sense of humor here). however the personal attacks are not confined to the darksiders or the cardinal-kool-aiders. you find those attacks amongst both sides (and, dare i say, i think the kool-aiders are a bit more vicious). i think those are the individuals that should be warned of bannings. but all this is just my two-cents (or a dollar-fifty).
so skorp, thanks for all you do. i hope the cards (or folks that call me "spoiled") never drive me to do anything that will get me banned. Vive la ASFN!
Lex
troublemaker
Skkorp rules. End of story. Keep up the good work.
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vibraslap
Well, I think it sucks. But that's just me.
The unintelligible idiots that are lying in wait to use one of their genius versions of "you guys suck" are the one's that should be targeted. Bounce people that don't talk NFL on the NFL board. For all of kerouac's social ineptitude, he always came with a take on the team.
When the season starts, this place is going to be overrun with opposing teams fans. Some will want to talk NFL, some won't. They'll find this site, because it's the best one. I hope the banning process is smooth and efficient, because if kerouac gets dinged for not presenting his takes on the team in a more palletable way, then dealing with the hoards of drooling Cowboy, Ram and Niner fans is going to have to run very smoothly.
One less intelligent Cardinal fan is all we have at this point, and the board is worse off for it.
I respect you Skorpp, and thanks to you this is one of the best NFL message boards I've seen (I've seen quite a few). I just don't agree with the decision is all.
C'est la vie. Forward we go.
The unintelligible idiots that are lying in wait to use one of their genius versions of "you guys suck" are the one's that should be targeted. Bounce people that don't talk NFL on the NFL board. For all of kerouac's social ineptitude, he always came with a take on the team.
When the season starts, this place is going to be overrun with opposing teams fans. Some will want to talk NFL, some won't. They'll find this site, because it's the best one. I hope the banning process is smooth and efficient, because if kerouac gets dinged for not presenting his takes on the team in a more palletable way, then dealing with the hoards of drooling Cowboy, Ram and Niner fans is going to have to run very smoothly.
One less intelligent Cardinal fan is all we have at this point, and the board is worse off for it.
I respect you Skorpp, and thanks to you this is one of the best NFL message boards I've seen (I've seen quite a few). I just don't agree with the decision is all.
C'est la vie. Forward we go.
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Good move Skkorp!
I'm currently studying 20th century philosophical practice and application at University, and we just finished reading Mein Kampf. While it takes the rarest of people to agree with Hitler's application of his principles, his basic idea was alright. Your choice here to ban kerouac for his opinions is in perfect keeping with Adolf's book, and yet doesn't directly hurt anyone either. Perhaps if Germany c. 19thCtry were led by you the whole free-world wouldn't despise them so.
Again, Good move Skkorp!
I'm currently studying 20th century philosophical practice and application at University, and we just finished reading Mein Kampf. While it takes the rarest of people to agree with Hitler's application of his principles, his basic idea was alright. Your choice here to ban kerouac for his opinions is in perfect keeping with Adolf's book, and yet doesn't directly hurt anyone either. Perhaps if Germany c. 19thCtry were led by you the whole free-world wouldn't despise them so.
Again, Good move Skkorp!
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vibraslap
It wasn't his opinions, it was his lack of social skills.
The Hilter reference was weak, off target and totally uncalled for.
The Hilter reference was weak, off target and totally uncalled for.
happythepeople
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Ummm, the Hitler ref. was NOT a joke. Have you ever read the book Section? It is actually a great book. I'm not lying one bit.
The man was brilliant, no doubt about it. I can't stand many of his ideas. Who could? But if you remove many of the targets and the attributes he assigned to targets, you'd find that some of the theories bare close similarity to the New Pragmatists of current philosophical interest. Which pragmitists are at the forefront of current USA thought.
Just cause the man's name gets mentioned does not mean it is in bad vein. Read the book section, or anyone for that matter, and you'll be impossibly surprised.
As far as Skkorp goes: I really, really, really hope you don't take my previous post as a slight, or some form of backhanded comment. I was honestly championing your decision.
It just so happened that I'm currently reading the book is all.
"He who makes haste with all matters unclear remains himself forever in fog"
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The man was brilliant, no doubt about it. I can't stand many of his ideas. Who could? But if you remove many of the targets and the attributes he assigned to targets, you'd find that some of the theories bare close similarity to the New Pragmatists of current philosophical interest. Which pragmitists are at the forefront of current USA thought.
Just cause the man's name gets mentioned does not mean it is in bad vein. Read the book section, or anyone for that matter, and you'll be impossibly surprised.
As far as Skkorp goes: I really, really, really hope you don't take my previous post as a slight, or some form of backhanded comment. I was honestly championing your decision.
It just so happened that I'm currently reading the book is all.
"He who makes haste with all matters unclear remains himself forever in fog"
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Cardinals.Ken
That's Mr. Riff-Raff to you!
Agreed!
Perhaps a new candidate for banning has stepped forward...
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vibraslap
Happy: Fair enough, but if you're going to apply Occam's Razor (or any other philosophical tool for that matter) to a situation via a Mein Kampf analogy, it might be wise to be very clear about what you're saying.
A low blow. Keep on studying until you get it right.
Lex
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The passion of this group never ceases to amaze me. Just another sign of a well run site, and a well run site needs no fixing.
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hey Ken, and anyone else whose ignorance preceeds them, read the f***ing book man.
If I mention Ryan Leaf while talking about QB's it is automatically assumed that I'm bashing whichever QB the main conversation was about. Yet, outside of the NFL context, Leaf was a pretty immaculate-armed quarterback, and to overlook what he did at WSU(while tempting), isn't really fair nor appropriate.
Yes, a difference exists between Hitler and Leaf(I'm not even gonna try and express the gap, we all know), but if you narrow down his actions/beliefs into the subject matter dealt with in his book, just as if you would narrow down the statistic output of Leaf in his NCAA days, you'd find some impressive ideas and numbers respectively.
This is probably futile, trying to explain. In hindsight the uttering of HIS name was probably not the wisest of choices, but blame synchronicty(currently reading the book) or lack of tact, not the idea itself.
Though I shouldn't need to mention this: I'm not a nazi, am not German, detest every single act that took place in regards to the man himself, but am not so narrow as to hate everything that a person can consist of.
In the end, no single person is detestable when seperating their ideas from other events in their life.
If this doesn't end the "kudos to mr. 11" flooding, I really have no idea what will.
If I mention Ryan Leaf while talking about QB's it is automatically assumed that I'm bashing whichever QB the main conversation was about. Yet, outside of the NFL context, Leaf was a pretty immaculate-armed quarterback, and to overlook what he did at WSU(while tempting), isn't really fair nor appropriate.
Yes, a difference exists between Hitler and Leaf(I'm not even gonna try and express the gap, we all know), but if you narrow down his actions/beliefs into the subject matter dealt with in his book, just as if you would narrow down the statistic output of Leaf in his NCAA days, you'd find some impressive ideas and numbers respectively.
This is probably futile, trying to explain. In hindsight the uttering of HIS name was probably not the wisest of choices, but blame synchronicty(currently reading the book) or lack of tact, not the idea itself.
Though I shouldn't need to mention this: I'm not a nazi, am not German, detest every single act that took place in regards to the man himself, but am not so narrow as to hate everything that a person can consist of.
In the end, no single person is detestable when seperating their ideas from other events in their life.
If this doesn't end the "kudos to mr. 11" flooding, I really have no idea what will.
String'em up.....
j/k
HoodieBets
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I have been out for a lil while and decided that this thread would be the one i come back on. I disagree with the banning because i feel he is a fan and knows his stuff. The people that should be banned are the people who jeff and section 11 have already mentioned. The post on this thread that i most agree with tho is PHX's post. I have the same views as him cheese, and all the other darksiders but i do not see my posts as negative i see them as realistic. I dont think this team will be a .500 team but i also do not think that they will only have 2 wins. BTW the hitler refrence may not have been wise but i do see where happy comes from. Hitler was a brilliant man even though he used his brillance for evil instead of good. Hitler was the worlds greatest orator and propogandist. I totally am against his actions and anything he did during his reign of power but the brain behind the mustache is undeniable. These are just my two cents on some of the things i have read on this thread.
P.S. Skkorp keep up the good work with the site, by far the best fan site i have ever seen. You do a lot to keep this the best and for that i am greatful.
P.S. Skkorp keep up the good work with the site, by far the best fan site i have ever seen. You do a lot to keep this the best and for that i am greatful.
Wow. Guess I have been sleeping at the wheel. This is all news to me.
Kerouc -- socially challenged? Yes. Cards fan? Yes. At least I thought so. And I didn't read the post that obviously caused the problem (but it looks like happy could educate me on the topic).
Skorp's board. Skorp's rules. Skorp's decision. Nuff said.
Kerouc -- socially challenged? Yes. Cards fan? Yes. At least I thought so. And I didn't read the post that obviously caused the problem (but it looks like happy could educate me on the topic).
Skorp's board. Skorp's rules. Skorp's decision. Nuff said.
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