Anybody an expert on drug masking?

[Russ Smith]

I read today that Rogers had an unusual amount of water in his system when he took the drug test and that's considered masking. Do they mean the masking agent causes water retention, or that he just drank a lot of water to mask something?

Just sounds quite odd to me his agent of course said he's totally clean just wondering.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

The old drug test myth is that if you drink a lot of water to dilute your urine, any drugs in your system would be less detectable, if detected at all.

I'm no expert by any means, but I did take a class in college called "Drugs and Society" that covered illegal drugs, and how your system retains traces of them, pretty comprehensively. So, for example, if you're a regular pot smoker, traces are going to stay in your system anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks depending on how much and how often you smoke. If you smoke once or twice a month, traces can disappear in as little as a week to two weeks. Drinking a ton of water would not mask traces of marijuana in your system if you're a regular smoker, but it may if you are a one time or a very light smoker. Cocaine and other drugs stay in your system for a much shorter period of time, so water may be enough to mask that depending on timing.

I have no idea if or how water could mask performance enhancers.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob
The old drug test myth is that if you drink a lot of water to dilute your urine, any drugs in your system would be less detectable.

I'm no expert, but about 5 years ago I discovered the hard way that this is a myth.

Very true that is the myth.

A lot of the over the counter drug masking agents, require the user to drink a lot of water. An unnatural amount of water....3-4 gallons, which is way over what a normal human will drink.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Hey Bob you changed what you said! LOL.

Cocaine and other hard drugs like Speed and Ecstasy get out of a persons system in 2-3 days...

 

[Stout]

Take this with a grain of salt, but as someone that had to tell a lot of 'pizz tests' in the military, I can say that lots of guys drank lots of water, and not to try and mask anything. Quite simply, when you were having trouble going (getting stage fright) they'd have you drink tons of water, so you basically HAD to go. That's what Rogers' story is right now. It's a viable story. I'm not sure if I buy it or not, but it's quite possible.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Hey Bob you changed what you said! LOL.

Yeah. I wanted to expand on what I said and give what little knowledge I had on drug tests. Sorry!

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Stout
Take this with a grain of salt, but as someone that had to tell a lot of 'pizz tests' in the military, I can say that lots of guys drank lots of water, and not to try and mask anything. Quite simply, when you were having trouble going (getting stage fright) they'd have you drink tons of water, so you basically HAD to go. That's what Rogers' story is right now. It's a viable story. I'm not sure if I buy it or not, but it's quite possible.

That's actually what my point was. I have a friend who had to do court ordered drug tests(both the patch and urine tests) and she got stage fright EVERY time. So she drank lots of water before she had to pee and I was curious why that would indicate masking in Rogers case.

Glad I'm not the only one who read the water thing and instantly thought maybe he just wanted to make sure he COULD pee!

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Originally posted by Stout
Take this with a grain of salt, but as someone that had to tell a lot of 'pizz tests' in the military, I can say that lots of guys drank lots of water, and not to try and mask anything. Quite simply, when you were having trouble going (getting stage fright) they'd have you drink tons of water, so you basically HAD to go. That's what Rogers' story is right now. It's a viable story. I'm not sure if I buy it or not, but it's quite possible.

Speaking of piss tests. I new guys in the military that would do all sorts of crazy stuff to pass the test. One guy drank a liter of vinegar.

I told them the easiest thing to do was not do drugs. I don't think they could figure it out.

 

[Stout]

Yeah, anytime there was a RUMOR of a soldier in the entire battalion going to Amsterdam (I was stationed in Germany), everyone got tested the following Monday. It was hilarious, but you know what? It worked almost 100 percent. Hardly anyone did weed and all that I know of that did got caught.

 

[Tangodnzr]

I know someone who was on probation and got hit with a random drug test. He was given 3 days notice, so for 3 days drank as much water as he possibly could.
He was a regular pot smoker.
He passed the urine test. That's all I know.
So it is not totally myth.

No one can do anything about having too much water in your sytem. Our body is more water than anything else. It may make some one suspicious on some tests such as this...but the day having too much water in your body becomes illegal is the day this country needs a revolution and overthrow of political power.
There are many, many reasons why the body might retain too much water.
Everything from kidney malfunction to being pregnant. (I sure hope he wasn't that. LOL).

Unless they have him perform another test, that turns something positive up.....this is all a bunch of hogwash.

 

[ajcardfan]

There is such a thing as water poisoning, although it doesn't happen very often. You can drink so much water in short amount of time that the body can't get it out fast enough. So, water floods into the body cells by osmosis to equalize the concentrations. That can cause brain swelling and death. You might remember the little girl who died a few months ago who's parents were doing "water therapy" to correct her behavior.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
There is such a thing as water poisoning, although it doesn't happen very often. You can drink so much water in short amount of time that the body can't get it out fast enough. So, water floods into the body cells by osmosis to equalize the concentrations. That can cause brain swelling and death. You might remember the little girl who died a few months ago who's parents were doing "water therapy" to correct her behavior.

Yes, this is a dangerous practice. There have been numerous news reports in the last few years about kids on X (which dehydrates you severely) drinking so much water that they actually went comatose and/or died.

Drinking a couple gallons of water in prep for a drug test is a very bad idea.

 

[Krangodnzr]

If they are detecting too much water, that isn't an idication of him trying to avoid "stage fright". He must've drank gallons of water, not a gallon.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Ed B
Yes, this is a dangerous practice. There have been numerous news reports in the last few years about kids on X (which dehydrates you severely) drinking so much water that they actually went comatose and/or died.

Drinking a couple gallons of water in prep for a drug test is a very bad idea.

I've heard quite abit about that also Ed. Most of the "ecstasy deaths" actually aren't involved with ecstasy actually killing the user. Most of the time it is due to mixing substances (e or x plus PMA, DXM, MDA, or other MDMA derivatives). Also a few deaths are water poisonings.

The most dangerous is PMA. PMA is a form of amphetamine that stops the body from regulating tempature.....scary stuff. If mixed with MDMA (ecstasy) small doses can be fatal. That's why it is smart to stay away from all non-pharmeceutical drugs (also the fact that it turns one into an "e"-****).

 

[bratwurst]

Anyone ever have a hair sample taken? Back when I worked at a local sports store in Phoenix they did a hair test on me. Everyone who worked there had to do one. Supposedly, its one of the more expensive ways to test for substances, and it can actually tell the testers a TON of info about someone.

 

[Lex]

According to the article I read this morning, Rogers and his agent reported for the "whiz quiz" at 5:30 A.M. He couldn't "GO" when he got there, so they told him to drink water.

Stores like High Health, sold a product that was used to pass drug tests. It was a box of tea, and 3 pills, they charged 20 dollars for. You would start drinking the tea like 4 hours before your test, in 4 equal parts. In between the 3rd and 4th serving of tea, you take the three pills, so they would emerge in your sample, to take the place of body chemicals that would be present in a normal test, even the correct color would be shown. The tea was supposed to clean out the impurities temporarily, and the instructions said to finish the last of the tea just before testing.

"Masking" is a term used when a negative test result occurs due to agents in the sample, that make it impossible to tell if there are banned substances in the sample. Too much water in the test sample is the most common masking substance used. (a 44 ounce big gulp will do the trick.) Some employers will not pay the extra cost of another test after a watered down test, so this method has been successful in the real world, but not in the NFL.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by Lex
According to the article I read this morning, Rogers and his agent reported for the "whiz quiz" at 5:30 A.M. He couldn't "GO" when he got there, so they told him to drink water.

Stores like High Health, sold a product that was used to pass drug tests. It was a box of tea, and 3 pills, they charged 20 dollars for. You would start drinking the tea like 4 hours before your test, in 4 equal parts. In between the 3rd and 4th serving of tea, you take the three pills, so they would emerge in your sample, to take the place of body chemicals that would be present in a normal test, even the correct color would be shown. The tea was supposed to clean out the impurities temporarily, and the instructions said to finish the last of the tea just before testing.

"Masking" is a term used when a negative test result occurs due to agents in the sample, that make it impossible to tell if there are banned substances in the sample. Too much water in the test sample is the most common masking substance used. (a 44 ounce big gulp will do the trick.) Some employers will not pay the extra cost of another test after a watered down test, so this method has been successful in the real world, but not in the NFL.

I've worn masks while on drugs before...does that count?

 

[ajcardfan]

The thing I hear about most often among teens today is drinking bleach before the drug test. Anybody stupid enough to drink bleach won't be around much longer if they don't wise up pretty quick.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
The thing I hear about most often among teens today is drinking bleach before the drug test. Anybody stupid enough to drink bleach won't be around much longer if they don't wise up pretty quick.

That has to be an Urban Legend...drinking bleach would be fatal, wouldn't it?

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
That has to be an Urban Legend...drinking bleach would be fatal, wouldn't it?

I have a friend who is a paramedic who has been on a couple of calls for young people who drank bleach. Neither died, but they sure were hurtin' puppies. Can you imagine what bleach would do to your stomach lining? So, it is being done. Maybe it is just a bunch of talk except for the occasional ******** who actually does it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by bratwurst
Anyone ever have a hair sample taken? Back when I worked at a local sports store in Phoenix they did a hair test on me. Everyone who worked there had to do one. Supposedly, its one of the more expensive ways to test for substances, and it can actually tell the testers a TON of info about someone.

Because the hair on our heads is dead and old so it gives information back I think up to 3 months or so.

 

[justAndy]

hairtests

... i can see people frantically going chrome dome to beat that one

 

[jmt]

Who cares if he masked a drug test? Caveat emptor. The war on drugs is a farce and a failure. Personally I'm tired of drug tests and roadblocks and surveillance cameras and airport security and warrantless searches and internet censorship and the Patriot Act and the continued erosion of our civil liberties.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by jmt
Who cares if he masked a drug test? Caveat emptor. The war on drugs is a farce and a failure. Personally I'm tired of drug tests and roadblocks and surveillance cameras and airport security and warrantless searches and internet censorship and the Patriot Act and the continued erosion of our civil liberties.

I agree 100%....and the War on Drugs, is more a war on minorities started by Nixon with his War on Crime.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
Because the hair on our heads is dead and old so it gives information back I think up to 3 months or so.

Actually from what I understand, it is six months.

I've taken two drug tests before when I was about 16. One I passed (how the hell did that happen ) and the other I failed.

I read an article months back, that said that drug tests can find random chemicals in your body that would make you fail, even if you haven't used drugs....and a supposed urban myth that is true: eating poppy seeds can make you fail a drug test for heroin or other opiates. My source is the MTV (ok insert laughter here) show "Urban Myths". They tested it by having this girl take a drug test, which she passed. She then ate a good amount of poppy seeds. She went to another drug testing place, and failed! The technician said that eating poppy seeds could not make you fail, but it is obvious that he was wrong. Imagine if this happened to you for a job interview......