2025 Week 4 Snap Counts, and some thoughts

[Chopper0080]

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[Chopper0080]

First, on offense.

1 - Biggest thing is WAY more 11 personnel. TE usage was shockingly low. Higgins played 9 snaps. Tip played 6.

2 - More of a time share with Conner out. I think they tried Benson with some pass down work but he seemed to get phased out of that as the game went on. Demercado got the extra work. Board HOF RB Carter got 4 snaps and stuffed on his most significant one.

3 - MHJ played every snap. This was good to see despite his mental struggles.

 

[Chopper0080]

On defense.

1 - When 21 players gets snaps on defense, that isn't a good thing. Everyone played.

2 - 17 players played more that 40% snaps. Crazy rotation.

3 - Burke and Clark continued to rotate playing 52% and 45% respectively.

4 - More ADG 79%, less 6 DB sets (DTD 50%).

5 - It's tough to tell who got injured and who didn't. I feel like Burch and DRob both went out with injuries amongst other players.

6 - Dalvin lead the way on the DL at 55%. I think I said it somewhere else but he was signed for these division/close games. His highest snap count games have been SF and Seattle.

7 - When Mustipher and Goodlow play 42% and 29% of snaps, and you only give up 23 points, that is good.

 

[Chopper0080]

A thought on the defense. Yes, every team deals with injuries, but cluster injuries wreck games and teams. The Cardinals are trying to hold this thing together with zip ties right now and it may get worse if any of the in game injuries are bad.

Look at the # of snaps Clark, Burke, Goodlow, and Mustipher are playing due to necessity. It's tough for a unit to be competitive when it's in this situation.

 

[Chopper0080]

The issue on offense is different. There is just no voice in that group with Conner out. There is no rallying cry. No fire. There is little communication between groups on the sidelines that you see on broadcasts. There is consistent miscommunication on the field.

The only thing I will say about Kyler in this thread is when MHJ made the TD catch and was obviously emotional in the end zone, Kyler was nowhere to be seen on my initial watch of the game. Hopefully I just missed him, because you would hope the leader of your offense would be there for his teammate.

 

[FB94]

100% agree to above. If KM is the leader he says or thinks he is, he should have been sprinting down to congratulate MH, but I didn’t see that. I think KM just turned back to the sidelines with a “about time” attitude. A real leader would be walking up and down the bench motivating or chewing some ass the way this team is playing. All he does is appear to sit down and put up walls around him

 

[BACH]

First, on offense.

1 - Biggest thing is WAY more 11 personnel. TE usage was shockingly low. Higgins played 9 snaps. Tip played 6.

2 - More of a time share with Conner out. I think they tried Benson with some pass down work but he seemed to get phased out of that as the game went on. Demercado got the extra work. Board HOF RB Carter got 4 snaps and stuffed on his most significant one.

3 - MHJ played every snap. This was good to see despite his mental struggles.

So in a game with Zay Jones out against a very good defensive front, we went away from 12?

 

[Chopper0080]

So in a game with Zay Jones out against a very good defensive front, we went away from 12?

Yes. Kinda strange but obviously they thought they had a better shot vs Seattle in sub packages than base. Or he got nicked up.

 

[BritCard]

Kei'trel Clarke has been playing well. He needs more snaps.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

More snaps for K. Clark please.

Like, lots more.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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tip might not have been 100% looking at that snap count - might be why petzing chilled on the run

 

[Russ Smith]

First, on offense.

1 - Biggest thing is WAY more 11 personnel. TE usage was shockingly low. Higgins played 9 snaps. Tip played 6.

2 - More of a time share with Conner out. I think they tried Benson with some pass down work but he seemed to get phased out of that as the game went on. Demercado got the extra work. Board HOF RB Carter got 4 snaps and stuffed on his most significant one.

3 - MHJ played every snap. This was good to see despite his mental struggles.

The Benson thing is just because of the last 2 drives. The first TD drive he was in until we got to the 9 yard line. First and goal they went to the 3rd down offense so DeMercado came in, sack on the first play so he stayed in TD pass. The 2nd drive was 12 plays, but DeMercado was in on most of the drive except some we had 4 Wr's.

 

[Russ Smith]

tip might not have been 100% looking at that snap count - might be why petzing chilled on the run

Might be true but I think it was more we got behind and had to throw more so they opened it up. We actually had 4 WR's on the field at once a few times in the 4th quarter

 

[oaken1]

Might be true but I think it was more we got behind and had to throw more so they opened it up. We actually had 4 WR's on the field at once a few times in the 4th quarter

The Petzing is just confused right now without JC.
I checked the box scores early in the fourth...Trey Benson was averaging 4.7 ypc....but for some reason had only been run 6 times to that point...and it ain't like we were so far behind we couldn't run for much of the first 3 quarters...
We got that way...but when it was like 6-3 we should have been pounding it and just didn't

 

[BritCard]

tip might not have been 100% looking at that snap count - might be why petzing chilled on the run

He's not been playing great, I wondered if this was a semi benching. But then Higgins didn't play much either so seems to have been tactical. May have just been they were down a bunch and had to throw more.

 

[BritCard]

The Petzing is just confused right now without JC.
I checked the box scores early in the fourth...Trey Benson was averaging 4.7 ypc....but for some reason had only been run 6 times to that point...and it ain't like we were so far behind we couldn't run for much of the first 3 quarters...
We got that way...but when it was like 6-3 we should have been pounding it and just didn't

I think the reason the run game is down is more basic.

I think the book is out on Kyler. I think teams watched the tape and looked at the analytics from last year and saw Kyler likes the short pass and doesn't throw to certain routes, and that the offense is very dependent on the run game.

So defenses are playing to stop the run and aren't concerned about the passing game. They also know if you pressure Kyler he struggles. In 2024 his passer rating when pressured was 49.4, one of the worst in the league.

Everything that a defense needs to do to stop this offense happens at the LOS or within 5 yards of it. We don't make defenses defend the whole field.

 

[ajcardfan]

I think the reason the run game is down is more basic.

I think the book is out on Kyler. I think teams watched the tape and looked at the analytics from last year and saw Kyler likes the short pass and doesn't throw to certain routes, and that the offense is very dependent on the run game.

So defenses are playing to stop the run and aren't concerned about the passing game. They also know if you pressure Kyler he struggles. In 2024 his passer rating when pressured was 49.4, one of the worst in the league.

Everything that a defense needs to do to stop this offense happens at the LOS or within 5 yards of it. We don't make defenses defend the whole field.

Yet, against both SF and Seattle, when we positively absolutely had to score TDs in the 4th quarter, all of the sudden we run and pass the ball down the field just fine. That is the offense we should be running in the first quarter as well. But we seem stuck on our "scheme" or "philosophy". When it is time to just go for it, we have been better.

Play that way at the start of the game and it will get better.

 

[BritCard]

Yet, against both SF and Seattle, when we positively absolutely had to score TDs in the 4th quarter, all of the sudden we run and pass the ball down the field just fine. That is the offense we should be running in the first quarter as well. But we seem stuck on our "scheme" or "philosophy". When it is time to just go for it, we have been better.

Play that way at the start of the game and it will get better.

We do run the same scheme in the 1st quarter. The only difference is that Kyler only starts to take shots when he has too.

 

[CFLredzoned]

The game plan was to pass more due to Seattle's front being so dominant stopping the run. I'll figure out what podcast I heard that on. But it came from a team source, I think JG.

 

[CFLredzoned]

Calvisi paraphrasing: Was it because you got down or were you trying to feature the pass more than the run?

JG: That was coming into the game, if you looked at how their first 3 games went, nobody has run it great on them. We wanted to come out and throw it better. We thought that was kind of the way to win the game...

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[Russ Smith]

The game plan was to pass more due to Seattle's front being so dominant stopping the run. I'll figure out what podcast I heard that on. But it came from a team source, I think JG.

THey did say that yes but it obviously didn't work until later in the game. I said all week I expected less 3 TE's without Conner but I think we tried to play 2 TE sets earlier in the game or even 1 TE sets and were unable to do anything. It wasn't until we had multiple Wr's and DeMercado in on the last drive that we were really able to throw the ball.

I don't expect us to play 3TE as much going forward it made sense with Conner it doesn't make sense with Benson he's a different kind of runner. It also means we're going to have more speed on the field so we have to start using it to stretch the field so the safeties can't do what Seattle's did to us

 

[PJ1]

I think the reason the run game is down is more basic.

I think the book is out on Kyler. I think teams watched the tape and looked at the analytics from last year and saw Kyler likes the short pass and doesn't throw to certain routes, and that the offense is very dependent on the run game.

So defenses are playing to stop the run and aren't concerned about the passing game. They also know if you pressure Kyler he struggles. In 2024 his passer rating when pressured was 49.4, one of the worst in the league.

Everything that a defense needs to do to stop this offense happens at the LOS or within 5 yards of it. We don't make defenses defend the whole field.

This. Sums it up nicely.