2024 wasn't "a collapse." The Cardinals were average and are now a playoff team.

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The 2024 season was one of initial frustration, fortunate and lucky wins, and finished off by mistake prone football, our luck evening out and mixed emotions to finish. There were offensive and defensive trends that never went away the whole year. Proving we were average at best. It was superior coaching, especially on defense and special teams that allowed to only lose to 1 team who had less than 10 wins.

Just for the sake of curiosity, how many NFL teams are you aware of that cut 40 players the year before they make the playoffs?

At 1-3, fans and commentators for the first time start to question Gannon's plan and hire. There is alot of doubt directed his way on his weekly interview on Burns and Gambo. It was more frustration than anything. We had chances to beat BUF and DET and lost for various reasons. Everyone knew the schedule was tough and but we blew a chance to at least be 2-2.

But what we saw in BUF was a defense that was bipolar and an offense that would start building on its trend of going flat in the 4th quarter. The DET game, where the defense shut out the Lions in the 2nd half, but the offense could only manage a FG was rough. Then the embarrassment of the blowout by WAS and Kingsberry's offense had gotten us to this point. It was at this point at 1-3, an improbable run started...

1. Chad Ryland. This guy went 3/3 on game winning kicks. A kicker who was the "worst kicker in 2023." Lets look at those games:

at SF: After Murray's long TD run, the rest of the first half is horrible. A Pick Six, Dropped Mcbride TD leads to a blocked FG TD. Down 16-7 at half. We learn SF FG kicker is out for the game. SF is forced to go for it on 4th down multiple times in 2nd half in AZ territory. Defense forces two turnovers, SF offense manages 0 points, Connor runs wild, Murray takes cares of the ball and Ryland's fg at 30 seconds left is the game winner. Pretty lucky win.

(at GB: We get blown out, offense and defense looks like a below average.)

LAC: We would be trailing at home in 4th quarter. A long Murray TD run and fortunate Connor screen is needed for Ryland to make a kick as time expires. 17-15

at MIA: We would be trailing the entire game. We had no business winning this game. MIA defense collapsed in the 2nd half. Kyler had his best game of the season. After this miraculous comeback and another Ryland game-winning kick, we are magically 4-4.

Is this what a playoff football team looks like?

CHI/NYJ:
Bears are reeling from the last second hail mary from Washington. This is right before the coach got fired. Jets and Rodgers are similarly coming up. One thing we did well was beat teams we should beat. But the defense shutting these offenses down wasn't exactly as impressive as it looked.

6-4. First place, with an improbable amount of luck and fortune.



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We play a good MINN team and once again, the defense shows signs that it can't hold a lead. The offense stutters in the 4th quarter. 2 games vs SEA who is coming in hot, especially defensively and this story is basically writing itself. The lack of talent we have on the dline is extremely evident. Should we have lost all 3 games? Probably not, even if we are just an average team. But it follows the story of the season. Every game was unpredictable. We lacked consistency on both sides of the ball. There was a lack of a pass rush. A run defense that was dominated earlier in the year and a pass defense that played bend but not break. Our red efficency on offense and defense was the one shared stat that gave us chances to win.


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This one also makes my point about the offensive line not being as big of an issue this year as people think it will be. We managed to be in all these games. Whether we should have won or not. This was with Jonah Williams going down in Week 1 and Hernandez going down in Week 5 at SF. This was also without our entire starting defensive line. So if you think having weaknesses on our oline will overwhelm the talent we brought in on def this offseason, this is something we already dealt with. Furthermore, there was no playoff run happening with all these injuries last season and no depth. Not the case this year.


4. Adding to this point, career backups and rookies were starting at key positions on both sides of the ball. Now they are back to being solid rotational positions and depth for the starters we added in the offseason, especially on the defensive line. This is why we were so inconsistent.


5. A QB that struggles in the 2nd half and end of season. Although the caveat would be, the talent we just added would not give up 36 points to CAR. The talent we just added will be able to get more 3 and out and force turnovers. The pressure may be on Kyler more this year, but in reality the offense should have more opportunities to score and take their time. We lose 3 winnable gamers that were leading in the 3rd qtr by a grand total of 8 pts. (MIN, CAR, LAR) Kyler has never had a legit top 10 defense before and this should be close enough. Talent elsewhere helps make up for his deficiencies, as seen in 2021 when we went 11-6. And these are all the reasons why we will make the playoffs this year. We are better than average now, we have depth and we overcome oline deficiencies last year. And our QB's late season deficiencies in 2021. Adding leaders and run stoppers on the defensive line along with skilled pass rushers, and possibly having 2 shutdown CBs.

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A ton of verbiage in these posts. Some great points for sure, but let’s keep this as simple as possible. The 2023 team was a complete and thorough rebuild right down to the studs. All we wanted to do was analyze what we had and what we needed. The record was meaningless.

The 2024 season was year 2 of a massive rebuild. We added just enough talent to beat the bad teams, but still not enough talent to beat the good teams. Would have been nice to make the playoffs, but a difficult schedule and injuries to both lines left us just short. Exactly where I expected us to be.

The 2025 season is a must season to make the playoffs, and I’m sure, barring catastrophic injuries, that we will. And, we have now drafted, developed, and brought in enough free agents to even go deeper in the playoffs than most people think. September can’t come soon enough for me.
 

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I had AI summarize this to make it easier to read.

This blurb outlines the ups and downs of the 2024 football season, highlighting initial struggles, moments of luck, and eventual inconsistency. The team's performance was largely average, but superior coaching kept them competitive.

A rough 1-3 start raised doubts about head coach Jonathan Gannon, especially after frustrating losses to Buffalo and Detroit. However, an improbable winning streak followed, fueled by clutch performances from kicker Chad Ryland. Despite a shaky defense and an offense that frequently stalled in the fourth quarter, the team managed to climb to 6-4, largely through fortunate wins.

Late in the season, defensive issues became more apparent, particularly in games against Minnesota and Seattle. The lack of a pass rush and a vulnerable run defense led to unpredictable performances. Despite significant injuries, the team remained competitive, suggesting depth improvements for the upcoming season.

The quarterback struggled late in games, but the newly added defensive talent is expected to compensate for these shortcomings. With upgraded personnel, improved depth, and key defensive acquisitions, the belief is that the team is now above average and primed for a playoff run.
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The 2024 season was year 2 of a massive rebuild. We added just enough talent to beat the bad teams, but still not enough talent to beat the good teams. Would have been nice to make the playoffs, but a difficult schedule and injuries to both lines left us just short. Exactly where I expected us to be.
Far exceeded my expectations:)
 

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I dont agree with the "close wins were flukes but close losses were indicative" assertion

I think they finished 3-5 in coin flip type games -- so no outlier there
and btw: the flip is true as well. Close losses weren't un-lucky flukes and close wins weren't a true measure of the team.

the 2024 Cards were like 15 other NFL teams -- decent but flawed teams that had a chance to grab the last playoff spot (even if that was by winning a weak division).

and I believe it will require another big step up in performance for the team to move into the "clear playoff team" category of the NFL
 
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you can't blame last year's collapse - sorry - average team's finish - on the o-line then say the o-line is more than fine when it's only gotten worse
You also can’t act like the oline is going to make the improvements we made on defense insignificant. Most likely case is the team is better and oline issues remain.

How does SEA go 10-7 last year with their oline?

The only starting oline that played less snaps together than the Cardinals btw.

This is not as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

Now if we have oline issues we can’t solve in the playoffs, then we got a problem.

SF had an above average oline last year as well.

The counterarguments to the oline issues are literally in our division.
 
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I fixed the formatting issues for you. Be careful if you are copy and pasting from another application. Sometimes the formatting gets all jacked up and makes things hard to read. You can always edit your post afterwards to fix formatting issues. Hope that helps.
Thanks. I actually did it from my home computer and it was double spaced and looked ok. Its weird how different it looks on phones sometimes.
 
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Yall can we get some more random bold and screenshots? I think I almost get it.

So you have no counter arguement to the fact there were at least 2 extremely winnable games last year we lost strictly due to lack of talent on defense. MINN and CAR. Because that would give us 10 wins.
 
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Run blocking was fine, but Conner also did a lot of it on his own. He's a violent runner.

His running is rated "R", and for mature audiences only.

Good point. We got at least another year of that is what I would say and Benson seemed to be improving at the end of the 2nd half. Same with Marv. The offense will be better and the defense will give them more possessions. I think Monti decided the best way to help the offense was just to load up on a defense that was 31st in time of possession last year. Thats a debatable idea but it has worked elsewhere.

And also how would someone explain why Murray on got sacked 30 times in 17 games while in 2020 he got sacked 31 times in 14 games. He has been dealing with a crappy oline most of his career. Just like Russell Wilson did.

SF had an above oline

SEA had the 31st.

But look at their records.
 

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So you have no counter arguement to the fact there were at least 2 extremely winnable games last year we lost strictly due to lack of talent on defense. MINN and CAR. Because that would give us 10 wins.

there were also 3 extremely loseable games

3 games decided by 4 points total

two games (miami and frisco) we won by 1 point and we only beat the chargers by 2 points - point is you can't cherry pick which outcomes you'd like change - doesn't work like that

all 3 of those extremely close games took place before the bye btw - imagine if they had gone the other way - we would've finished 5-12

we could have been 5-12
we could've been 10-8 like you said

we could've had 18 possible different records statistically speaking - but we were 8-9

pretty damn indicative
 

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Good point. We got at least another year of that is what I would say and Benson seemed to be improving at the end of the 2nd half. Same with Marv. The offense will be better and the defense will give them more possessions. I think Monti decided the best way to help the offense was just to load up on a defense that was 31st in time of possession last year. Thats a debatable idea but it has worked elsewhere.

And also how would someone explain why Murray on got sacked 30 times in 17 games while in 2020 he got sacked 31 times in 14 games. He has been dealing with a crappy oline most of his career. Just like Russell Wilson did.

SF had an above oline

SEA had the 31st.

But look at their records.

I think the offense will be a little better than last year mainly because I think MHJ will take a step forward, and that will help.

How did you become an Arizona Cardinals football fan bro?
 

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So you have no counter arguement to the fact there were at least 2 extremely winnable games last year we lost strictly due to lack of talent on defense. MINN and CAR. Because that would give us 10 wins.
This is a zero sum exercise. We could easily have lost a few more games as well. We are what our record was.
 
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I dont agree with the "close wins were flukes but close losses were indicative" assertion

I think they finished 3-5 in coin flip type games -- so no outlier there
This is a zero sum exercise. We could easily have lost a few more games as well. We are what our record was.

Hence proving we were an average team and you can't "collapse" even if you were to finish 3-5. The story still checks out.

The talent we added on defense makes us better than being a coinflip in those games. It gives our offense less pressure and more chances to score.

Just ask Matthew Stafford...he directly benefited from a defense that became dominant. Beat SF 12-6 and AZ 13-9.

Then Rams defense held MINN to 9 in the postseason.

Then Rams had 15 in the 4th vs the Eagles and still had a shot to win at the end.

My point about the close losses is we have added the talent to improve our chances of winning in future games of the same type.

Just like SEA beat CHI 6-3.

Just like MINN beat JAX 12-7 while Darnold threw 3 INTs and no TDs.

Our def can be on par with those two teams this year.
 

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Hence proving we were an average team and you can't "collapse" even if you were to finish 3-5. The story still checks out.

The talent we added on defense makes us better than being a coinflip in those games. It gives our offense less pressure and more chances to score.

Just ask Matthew Stafford...he directly benefited from a defense that became dominant. Beat SF 12-6 and AZ 13-9.

Then Rams defense held MINN to 9 in the postseason.

Then Rams had 15 in the 4th vs the Eagles and still had a shot to win at the end.

My point about the close losses is we have added the talent to improve our chances of winning in future games of the same type.

Just like SEA beat CHI 6-3.

Just like MINN beat JAX 12-7 while Darnold threw 3 INTs and no TDs.

Our def can be on par with those two teams this year.
I won't say the team collapsed; I will say that Kyler absolutely choked.
 

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Putting it on Kyler is fine. I get it. But as bad as he is, he still has more experience with winning in the NFL than anyone else on that side of the ball, coaches or players.

Has Drew Petzing ever won? No idea. Can’t really say his James Conner offense is built for a QB to carry a team
 

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I don’t see how Kyler is responsible for the talent deficiency on defense and lack of adjustments on offense
I dunno, bro. Hard to blame the defense for scoring just six points on the road at Seattle at a game we absolutely needed and nine points at the Rams to end the year.
 

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I dunno, bro. Hard to blame the defense for scoring just six points on the road at Seattle at a game we absolutely needed and nine points at the Rams to end the year.
Were they up 10 on the Vikings, but the defense couldn’t get stops?

Just wondering.
 
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