2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[football karma]

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handicapping things:

i think the Raiders and Vikings are most likely to rally and win enough games to be out of the top 10

the Raiders have like 7 more games vs other teams in the top 10 of the draft

the Vikings have 6 similar games, including the Bears twice and the Broncos

further -- Burrow has to get healthy at some point -- right?

 

[kerouac9]

handicapping things:

i think the Raiders and Vikings are most likely to rally and win enough games to be out of the top 10

the Raiders have like 7 more games vs other teams in the top 10 of the draft

the Vikings have 6 similar games, including the Bears twice and the Broncos

further -- Burrow has to get healthy at some point -- right?

The Raiders are bad and poorly coached, though. Since the 2008 Denver Broncos started 6-0, McDaniels is 12-31 as a head coach.

Yikes.

 

[Chopper0080]

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@DVontel where does this put us in the franchise purgatory realm?

 

[Chopper0080]

Tankathon has us at 9 and 13.

 

[football karma]

The Raiders are bad and poorly coached, though.

its hard to argue with that

you look at the personnel and they ought to be better -- Josh Jacobs, Davante Adams, Hunter Renfrow, a QB that is decent -- good pass rusher. Not deep in the playoffs better, but competitive in every game and win 8 games better

 

[GatorAZ]

Tankathon has us at 9 and 13.

^^ Big **** Brock range.

 

[DVontel]

@DVontel where does this put us in the franchise purgatory realm?

Heh.

 

[DVontel]

its hard to argue with that

you look at the personnel and they ought to be better -- Josh Jacobs, Davante Adams, Hunter Renfrow, a QB that is decent -- good pass rusher. Not deep in the playoffs better, but competitive in every game and win 8 games better

Jacobs & Renfrow are non-factors & their 20 other players are JAGs.

 

[DVontel]

^^ Big **** Brock range.

lol c’mon man.

 

[TheCardFan]

The CB, WR, and OT class looks very strong this year.

I am not sure we take another OT unless we move DJ and I don't see that happening.
We really need a disruptive DT and a full time pass rusher/difference maker.

Kalen King might be my favorite CB due to overall game.
Cooper DeJean is interesting but is he a full time CB or S?

 

[Chopper0080]

Also...if the Cardinals draft position stayed at 9 and 13, would you trade a 1st at the deadline for Brian Burns?

 

[Tacticool Nerd]

Also...if the Cardinals draft position stayed at 9 and 13, would you trade a 1st at the deadline for Brian Burns?

Absolutely not. Either keep the pick and pick a player during the draft. Or use it for ammunition to trade down to acquire more picks.

 

[DVontel]

Also...if the Cardinals draft position stayed at 9 and 13, would you trade a 1st at the deadline for Brian Burns?

Nah.

 

[GatorAZ]

lol c’mon man.

Every mock has him going top-10.

 

[oaken1]

Every mock has him going top-10.

thats because the guys doing the mocks dont run a football team

 

[GatorAZ]

thats because the guys doing the mocks dont run a football team

Depending on the service they put together mocks and prospect rankings based on metrics and sourcing.

 

[Krangodnzr]

thats because the guys doing the mocks dont run a football team

Eh NFL teams have consistently chased the TE superstar.

If I'm betting on a college TE prospect though, I'm betting on Bowers. He's significantly better than Kyle Pitts was coming out.

 

[Chopper0080]

The thing with TEs and drafting them high is that you have to commit to designing your offense around them, and work through the growing pains. If Andy Reid drafted Brock Bowers in the 8-20 range of the first round, no one would question it. Same with the Eagles. I don't know that we are the team to make him option 1B or option 2 in the passing game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The thing with TEs and drafting them high is that you have to commit to designing your offense around them, and work through the growing pains. If Andy Reid drafted Brock Bowers in the 8-20 range of the first round, no one would question it. Same with the Eagles. I don't know that we are the team to make him option 1B or option 2 in the passing game.

Chiefs are the blueprint. There is a reason they have deemphasized WR, because Kelce is a true #1 option. Bowers has that kind of potential.

 

[kerouac9]

The thing with TEs and drafting them high is that you have to commit to designing your offense around them, and work through the growing pains. If Andy Reid drafted Brock Bowers in the 8-20 range of the first round, no one would question it. Same with the Eagles. I don't know that we are the team to make him option 1B or option 2 in the passing game.

It could work out as well as when Andy Reid drafted Clyde Edwards-Helaire in the first round! What makes these teams different is that they don't draft non-premium positions high, and they're able to develop the mid-round players they draft into stars.

Chiefs are the blueprint. There is a reason they have deemphasized WR, because Kelce is a true #1 option. Bowers has that kind of potential.

Kelce was a 3rd round pick for KC (as a 24 year old!). He played in one game his rookie season, didn't make a Pro Bowl until year 3. There is just more pressure on a top 5 or 10 pick to do something early. That's why you draft them high.

 

[TheCardFan]

Chiefs are the blueprint. There is a reason they have deemphasized WR, because Kelce is a true #1 option. Bowers has that kind of potential.

What if he isn't Kelce?

That is a luxury pick with potentially the GOAT QB and the GOAT TE.

That is not a blueprint that is a massive exception.

I am 100% against drafting a TE in round 1.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Kelce was a 3rd round pick for KC (as a 24 year old!). He played in one game his rookie season, didn't make a Pro Bowl until year 3. There is just more pressure on a top 5 or 10 pick to do something early. That's why you draft them high.

I think if everyone had hindsight at the time, Kelce wouldn't be a 3rd rounder, but I don't disagree that drafting a TE high is pure folly.

File "the draft a 1st round TE" idea in the same drawer as drafting a guard, ILB, or safety high.

 

[Krangodnzr]

What if he isn't Kelce?

That is a luxury pick with potentially the GOAT QB and the GOAT TE.

That is not a blueprint that is a massive exception.

I am 100% against drafting a TE in round 1.

I'm not advocating drafting him.