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1 – Last year, I always credited Klayton Adams for the run game success, so it is only fitting that I am now blaming Justin Frye for the opposite. Without Benson’s big run in New Orleans, they have accomplished 3.6 yards on average. That limits the entire offense.

2 – Well, I told you last week that reports indicate that the Cardinals might be in contact with free agent CB Asante Samuel. So, there’s that.

3 – Calais Campbell only played 43% of the defensive snaps. He was dominant throughout the game, so that is obviously the right number.

4 – I think the reasons for the limited passing game is two folded.

It is a massive problem that no receivers get open down field. Who is Murray going to throw to? Many times, he is scanning the field, but ends up either taking a sack, throwing the ball away or running himself because there is no one to throw to. Nobody gets open in the deep game.

The other part of the equation is Murray’s lack of height, I think. He simply cannot see far down the field if anyone does get open. That might be one reason that he always throws short or intermediate (one pass above 20 yards). And yes, especially McBride is a stud within the distance that Murray is comfortable with, but it is too easy for defenses.

5 – Now, Petzing obviously doesn’t like wide receivers, and so, it doesn’t really matter that they don’t have a #2. It does matter, however, that Murray needs more options in the pass game.

I doubt it will happen, but a couple of possible solutions I had time to think of in the third quarter, when I considered the game decided anyway:

Petzing was the tight ends coach for David Njoku in Cleveland for two years. The Browns are 0-2, desperate for cap space, and have seen through two games that rookie TE Harold Fannin can play. Njoku’s contract runs out after this season, and certainly the Browns would consider if they could spend money wiser than to extend it. Njoku is one of the 3-4 most athletic tight ends in the NFL, and one of the better receiving threats in the area that Murray is comfortable throwing to.

Yeah, I too can see that the Cards have a very crowded TE room, but as I mentioned, they need receiving options. Higgins is fine, but not great.

Of course, they could also go for WR Jahan Dotson from the Eagles, who as a rookie had Drew Terrell as a WR coach in Washington (and tied for most TD’s by a rookie in the NFL that year, after only playing in 12 games) - and who Terrell was instrumental in making a first-round pick (reportedly Dotson didn’t talk to anyone else from the organization pre-draft). I mean, Ossenfort probably listened to Terrell after he had coached Tehjuan Palmer and Tip Reiman at the East-West Shrine Bowl, so why not listen to your own pass game-coordinator again? And you know that Howie Roseman always are up for a little wheeling and dealing.

But anyway, then we are probably back to how Petzing cannot stand utilizing wide receivers.

6 – On 121 pass rush snaps, Darius Robinson and Dante Stills have combined for one pressure. And that number was one. I repeat, one.

7 – Murray had the 5th least time to throw of all QBs, and it’s not like the Panthers have an army of All Pro’s on their d-line. Not impressive by the offensive line.

8 – Josh Sweat punching in. Not that he was great all game, but he stepped up when it was needed the most (and obviously in the beginning of the game).

9 – Will Johnson have the making of a stud. Of a full-blown foundational player.

10 – It was a horror show, but they are 2-0. Keep that in mind, gentlemen.
 

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Things look bleak, very bleak for a team that’s 2-0.
This team is going to have to create some offense. With injuries to our db’s I don’t see us holding teams to 16-20 points.
I think Petzing has to start going deep on first down. We have to loosen up the defense because our opponents do not fear our passing game. They can crowd the line and throw a variety of of run blitzes against us.
Will Johnson has that look…that it factor.
If we win Sunday I’m going to start thinking it’s divine intervention.

As always Ghandi, spot on!
 

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I dont think the tape shows that WRs aren’t open downfield? Where is that coming from? Plenty of tape out there of open WRs that aren’t getting thrown to?
Tonight I went to watch the Coaches’ tape, and I must admit that you are right to an extent, Shane. I saw something else during the game. Several receivers did in fact get open, though I will still argue that it was not in the deep field. Several times Murray simply didn’t see an open target.

Next Gen Stats has a metric called "aggressiveness" where they track how aggressive a quarterback is. It measures the percentage of throws to a receiver that have a defender within one yard or less at the time of completion or incompletion. Murray is the 5th least aggressive quarterback in the NFL. Couple that stat with the fact that Murray have completed the 7th least air yards of all (and the 5th lowest intended air yards), and you have a problem.
 
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I think Petzing has to start going deep on first down. We have to loosen up the defense because our opponents do not fear our passing game. They can crowd the line and throw a variety of of run blitzes against us.
I have started to get a suspicion that Murray is not that capable of it. I mentioned his height in the original post, and one thing I have noticed is how the offensive line are standing differently than during the time with Kingsbury. The offensive linemen are simply standing closer next to each other, which makes the holes between them much smaller than back then, and that makes it more difficult for Murray to see. I once read that he had kind of learned how to look between the offensive linemen, since he cannot look over them, but that is more difficult now. You can also see factually that - on average - he throws shorter passes now than before.

I don't know. It's just a theory.
 

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Tonight I went to watch the Coaches’ tape, and I must admit that you are right to an extent, Shane. I saw something else during the game. Several receivers did in fact get open, though I will still argue that it was not in the deep field. Several times Murray simply didn’t see an open target.

Next Gen Stats has a metric called "aggressiveness" where they track how aggressive a quarterback is. It measures the percentage of throws to a receiver that have a defender within one yard or less at the time of completion or incompletion. Murray is the 5th least aggressive quarterback in the NFL. Couple that stat with the fact that Murray have completed the 7th least air yards of all (and the 5th lowest intended air yards), and you have a problem.
This totally lines up with what my eyes tell me. He doesn't throw receivers open, he doesn't throw on time, and he will very rarely stand in the pocket let the play develop and deliver the ball while taking a hit
 

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After watching the game the Cardinals were somewhat fortunate that the Carolina coach made the inexplicable decision to go for two after their first TD. Had he kicked the XP and then kicked it again after their second TD they would only have needed a FG to tie the game instead of a TD and could have sent the game into OT.

I actually didn't think the offense went conservative in the second half. I thought they pretty much played the same offense throughout the game.

I think the previous comments concerning Murray are spot on. You have to wonder if this is going to be Murray's last season in a Cardinal uniform.
 

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IMO Murray absolutely needs to take that next step this year and win a playoff game. If we do another .500 season we absolutely need to think about QB of the future. Hard reset
 

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IMO Murray absolutely needs to take that next step this year and win a playoff game. If we do another .500 season we absolutely need to think about QB of the future. Hard reset
This is fair and Im a Kyler fan.
 
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Its not height. He was the best deep thrower in the NFL his first two seasons.
Yes. That coupled with his scrambling abilities was why I mentioned in a previous column that he has the potential to be a top five quarterback in the NFL. Some posters used box score scouting to argue against it, but you have to look at the tapes to see that he was amazing for stretches. I think that part of the problem might be what I mentioned about the offensive line, and then maybe his ACL has something to do with it. Playcalling is obviously a factor too, plus he have always had a lot of instability in his performances.

Having said all that, he has to put it all together this season. If not, then it's time to go another way.
 

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Yes. That coupled with his scrambling abilities was why I mentioned in a previous column that he has the potential to be a top five quarterback in the NFL. Some posters used box score scouting to argue against it, but you have to look at the tapes to see that he was amazing for stretches. I think that part of the problem might be what I mentioned about the offensive line, and then maybe his ACL has something to do with it. Playcalling is obviously a factor too, plus he have always had a lot of instability in his performances.

Having said all that, he has to put it all together this season. If not, then it's time to go another way.
I think there was a change on his footwork as well. It was talked about during Kliff’s reign here and its hes not as confident in throwing the football deep like his first two years
 

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I think there was a change on his footwork as well. It was talked about during Kliff’s reign here and its hes not as confident in throwing the football deep like his first two years
I think he's scared to get hit. He doesn't want to stick in the pocket long enough for long pass plays to develop.
 

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Its not height. He was the best deep thrower in the NFL his first two seasons.
Only because he was throwing to Hopkins. he was spoiled in his early years that Hopkins would come down any jump ball. He still throws jump balls when none of his receivers are capable of winning jump balls.
 

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Tonight I went to watch the Coaches’ tape, and I must admit that you are right to an extent, Shane. I saw something else during the game. Several receivers did in fact get open, though I will still argue that it was not in the deep field. Several times Murray simply didn’t see an open target.

Next Gen Stats has a metric called "aggressiveness" where they track how aggressive a quarterback is. It measures the percentage of throws to a receiver that have a defender within one yard or less at the time of completion or incompletion. Murray is the 5th least aggressive quarterback in the NFL. Couple that stat with the fact that Murray have completed the 7th least air yards of all (and the 5th lowest intended air yards), and you have a problem.
After re-watching I came to the same conclusion. The issue is more with Kyler than Petzing from what we have seen in the two first games IMO.

I hoping that Kyler has been instructed in playing super conservative against two bad teams, but I unfortunately doubt that.
 

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I think we continue to improve each game. The starters are going to take 4 games just to get on the same page because of how the preseason is played nowadays. I am very concerned about the amount of injuries our cornerback room has already. Although I am impressed with Will Johnson for the future. Him and Garrett Williams will give us a great foundation going forward.
 

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snakester, just to add my two cents. At CB, don't overlook Max Melton. He looks solid to me. It's on offense that I'm more disappointed. While, I understand targeting Trey and Marvin, I don't believe that the passing game will flourish, until we get Zay and Michael involved. And the running game might need the return of WH. Just hope that after two games of playing down to the opposition, I hope today that we play up to the 49ers.
 

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