15 thoughts - training camp

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1 – Their only chance of success is to start Carson Beck as soon as possible. They are not winning anything with Brissett or Minshew. Maybe they don’t win with Beck either, but the unknown is their only chance. So, let’s pray that Beck impresses enough in camp and preseason games to win the starting job.

2 – Imagine if we get to see a healthy Walter Nolen.

3 – Fans and analysts might not find out that Jeremyah Love is not really a running back in the normal sense, but at least we should see some indications of it.

4 – No matter if Brissett decides to go to work, I don’t care about seeing him and Minshew perform. I feel like we know what they are.

5 – I expect Marvin Harrison to look like a star, but I think that everything depends on how LaFleur utilizes him in his system, and training camp will not show us anything about that.

6 – Pretty much right after Gannon was fired, I wrote about how I wanted them to bring in Mike LaFleur, and in my one mock draft some weeks before the draft, I drafted Carson Beck in the third round. So, I have actually gotten what I wanted, but I do think I should reiterate the points, because context is everything here, and it is very important to be aware of this ahead of training camp.

It is likely that Beck will not blow anyone away in training camp, but stylistically, he is tailor-made for LaFleur’s scheme (again, if LaFleur uses something similar to McVay and Shanahan). Beck’s value doesn’t lie in his ability to be a high-level quarterback per se but is conditioned by those two working in unison to execute LaFleur’s offense.

Now, of course it would be nice to see him play well, and obviously schemes can only take him so far. Just keep it in mind. Beck’s best quality is that he is a system quarterback, and since LaFleur’s offensive system will obviously not be deployed in full force yet, you will not see Beck’s biggest strength in camp.

7 – Will Josh Sweat even show up? Arguably their most important defender.

8 – I don’t see how Isaiah Adams would have a good reason to be running around locked and loaded with an illegal full-automatic weapon and associating with a group of people with enough drugs to put all of Canada to sleep. And he is bringing discredit to the Cardinals organization. They obviously have more than enough of those cases, and I think the only way to at least try to lessen the publicity hit is to take very decisive action and cut bait immediately, no matter if he is guilty or not.

Let’s be real: NFL success is not achieved by teams full of choir boys, but Adams is not good enough to compromise on that. Honestly, I would probably have had another opinion if it were the best player on the team, but that’s just the reality of the NFL. I have been wondering if the local media praising him was sort of like a pre-TC-version of “wow, Stephen Williams is a stud” or “that Brandon Keith-guy is going to be an All-Pro” but now I don’t care about that.

So, the training camp implications here are obvious, because I am pretty sure they would have started out with Isaiah Adams as the starting right guard. They might still, but I would prefer Chase Bisontis getting every single first-team rep.

9 - I don’t buy the narrative that this year is make-or-break for Marvin Harrison, but it is for his first-round compadre, Darius Robinson. I hope he is moved to the position where he excelled at Missouri, but no matter what, I sure would like to see him create some pressure for once.

10 – Will Garrett Williams be cleared to play during training camp? That would be massive. He played underwhelmingly last season, but he obviously still has great potential.

11 – Elijah Wilkinson played very well last season, where his success was primarily a result of the offensive system, controlled by another McVay-disciple, Zac Robinson. I believe that is why LaFleur wanted Wilkinson brought in, and I hope that nobody judges him based on training camp - with no system-play - when he presumably plays below average.

12 – Not to open that door in this column, but I think that Ossenfort only kept his job so that Bidwill has a lame duck to kick out if things go south and have instructed him not to spend too many resources in trading for someone.

Personally, I have almost no hope for the edge rush, and I would call the Steelers and offer a 4th for Alex Highsmith (who had Teryl Austin as DC the last three years, and with 0 guaranteed dollars left on his contract), or underachievers with major potential like Kayvon Thibodeaux (Giants) or Myles Murphy (Bengals). But no, Ossenfort has been put under administration, and I don’t foresee any bigger reinforcements. Not even from the open market.

13 – Call me crazy, but I still haven’t given up on Tip Reiman, and he will most likely be very important in LaFleur’s scheme. I actually doubt we will know much of anything about him based on training camp, simply because his presumed role is hard to judge in practice (for the media and fans), but there are some scrimmage drills that might show something.

14 – B.J. Ojulari is like this mythological hero figure that will rise from the underworld to save the franchise’ destiny, but it would be nice to actually see him impress first.

15 – I really have no idea what to expect from Will Johnson. I mean, he has the potential to become a superstar, but he certainly didn’t play like it in the second half of last season. I hope that he can give us some hope.
 

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#7

Not sure how there is any indication that this is even a thing.

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I don’t know it’s getting pretty close to make or break. It shouldn’t take four years or more for a wide receiver to come into their own. He needs to quit underwhelming and quickly. They’re talking up his muscles as if they didn’t do the same thing last off-season saying he came back all yoked. Which, as far as his play on the field was concerned meant absolutely Jack.
 

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#1 The ONLY chance is to start Beck? I disagree. I realize JB isn't the future, but he showed he could move the offense down the field. Were there some 3 and outs? Yes, our RB's were 3rd and 4th string and we passed more than average. We now have healthy RB's and JB had timing with MHJ, Wilson and Trey. IMO, if the defense is healthy and the new guys have learned from last year, we may be better than projected.
 

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disagree on Adams
I didnt read the article on him.... but being charged with something in no way indicates guilt.

I was once involved in a situation... when that situation resolved I was charged with possession of multiple things...none of which were actually mine nor had I ever laid hand on them.... but the thing is, they were within arms reach of me when the dust settled...so I got charged.

I aint saying dude is innocent... but it takes a while for all the facts to be sorted out in these situations....and he could well just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time...maybe he is most guilty of not choosing his frriends well... but he wouldnt be the first athlete to get caught up in someone elses crap.
 

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It’s funny how just about everyone in the football world believes the Cardinals will be lucky to win 4 games this year.
But you can’t start Beck for one reason… hopium. Maybe , just maybe Brissett can win 4 of the first 6 games.
If you had a crystal ball and seen we were 1-8 after 9 games would you start Beck from game one?
 
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#7

Not sure how there is any indication that this is even a thing.
He reported for mandatory minicamp so he didn’t get fined, but didn’t do anything, and there have been reports that he wants out. It could be a thing, or it could be nothing. That’s my point.

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I don’t know it’s getting pretty close to make or break. It shouldn’t take four years or more for a wide receiver to come into their own. He needs to quit underwhelming and quickly. They’re talking up his muscles as if they didn’t do the same thing last off-season saying he came back all yoked. Which, as far as his play on the field was concerned meant absolutely Jack.
I think that Bidwill and Ossenfort (if he’s there) will go a long way to salvage Harrison. To protect their high pick. I believe that was a factor in hiring LaFleur.
 
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I’m not sure what Beck does or might do that is better than what Brissett has already shown he can do.

No one has been able to tell me. I’m asking in good faith.
I thought I explained that very clearly. At least I tried to. Thought #6.
 
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#1 The ONLY chance is to start Beck? I disagree. I realize JB isn't the future, but he showed he could move the offense down the field.
Yes, in garbage time. I do realize that was the best part of every game last season, but it’s just not good enough. The guy went 1-11. The guys at PHNX mentioned a data tracking of how many of his positive statistics have come in garbage time, and it was a lot.

Maybe LaFleur is the coach to salvage Brissett, but no one has been able to in his 10 seasons and six teams. I don’t expect LaFleur to be the be able to.
 

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At least Beck showed up, signed. That can be a big factor...actually showing up ready for camp..not fat, but putting in the time, studying grinding. Not munchin, running 5 flat 40s, lol
 

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Oh, I do. :) But only because it is the only hope, and I just need to have that going into the season. I cannot go through an entire season expecting them to lose every week (that feeling will come after Thanksgiving or so).
It starts with the staff, coaching...I hope MLF saves this team from it's staff..coaches everything himself, ignores Monti; even going over his head. The owner is looking for the HC to own it and all. Despite having a Yes man...he wants MLF to be the HC, GM, President competently so MB can know he has his guys, can finally focus on several things with relief. I feel MLF and his consultants will be very influential in changing this culture. It starts with conditioning, and avoiding a lot of injuries.
 

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The best hope for Beck to start is to prove he is the best QB on the roster. The longer Brissett holds out, it provides more reps for Beck to show he is, but Beck still has to earn 1st team reps from Minshew.
agree... but Beck also has the benefit of not just being new to the team and the system like the others, but also being new to the NFL...
IMO, he doesnt have to prove "Better" at this point,..but "equal"....simply because he has more room for growth.

not an easy task really...even though neither briskett or uncle rico are starting quality they have both proven they can play in the league...uncle rico has even shown some intangibles and the ability to pull a win out of his butt at times....thats briskets biggest down side...he has proven he can systematically lose games.

imo, Becks best bet based on his skillset and the suspected offensive system is to show he is just >> << that much more than captain checkdown....that he gets the ball to the playmakers quickly...and will occasionally make a good throw to create a play... Brisket has shown the first but not the second.
 
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I don’t see why Brissett would be a bad system fit for LaFleur. You just said you liked Beck. That’s your right; but traits side-by-side there’s no place where he’s better than Brissett.
Probably not, but I also specified clearly (I thought) that Beck’s potential success is not conditional on traits.
 
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Guilt or innocence always matters...Adams is not a star... but he does not deserve to be punished for something he is not guilty of.
It’s a fair point, but the chances that he is completely 100% innocent are really small, I think. And if he does have some sort of involvement, I think it is fair that the Cardinals take actions. They should protect their brand.

Now, if he is innocent he should obviously not be penalized by the criminal system.
 

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