Has Arizona Become Mudville?

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You remember when Mighty Casey struck out sending most in Mudville into a severe depression. Maybe it’s just my personal old age, but something feels different to me this offseason. You can only read so many articles on the NFL West before you succumb to the feeling of hopelessness. It’s not an unfamiliar feeling for a Cardinal fan, but somehow this feels worse.

Three teams sit ahead of the Cards and the consensus seems to be all have improved, yet many are questioning whether the Cards have. Several fans want to place the blame on Ossenfort. I’ve been searching my memory for which previous GM installed a system that was capable of sustaining consistent excellence. Mediocrity has historically ruled the Cardinals. Sure occasionally the Cards have been competitive, but not for long. I’ve written that chance dropped Warner, Palmer & Arians in the Cards’ lap. Those two key QBs weren’t drafted. Arians availability was a fluke. For the most part he’d been available for many previous years. So don’t rate that as a genius move by the Cards.

Likely the best football mind the Cards ever had was Don Coryell. He not only produced entertaining teams, but also several winning teams. He left the Cards in 1977. There was a contract dispute (isn’t that a Bidwill tradition). However, in large part he left because of a lack of personnel control, again partly based on the unwillingness of the Bidwills to invest in winning. Before someone ventures, “salary cap,” keep in mind Bidwill’s rejection of using contract bell & whistles that teams were including to sweeten their offers. Anyway Bidwill could have made Coryell the GM and probably remained relevant for years. Instead the Cards got lured to AZ spending several years in exile playing in a college stadium. AZ finally built them a showplace, but the team has rarely lived up to their building.

I have to laugh when people say dump Ossenfort. I asked on the board, “Hire who”? The point is no one of quality will work for a Bidwill. Consider both Reid and Payton. Both were offered the Cards job including personnel control. I believe in both cases money was not the main reason they went elsewhere. Simply put, I don’t think they trusted Bidwill. They may have been offered personnel control, but there are dozens of other factors. Recall the NFLPA players survey and resulting report cards. Do players want to come to AZ? What about fan support? Will players have to contend with numerous opponent fans when playing at home? Sure winning would help, but how big is the real AZ fan base? There will almost always be better destinations for the top candidates.

So Ossenfort took over and had to immediately hire a coach. I don’t think anyone knows what limitations were put on his options. Flores was humorously suggested but he was involved in the lawsuit. The only former head coach interviewed was Morris who didn’t get a HC job anywhere. The only successful candidate, not counting Payton, was Ryans. He was scheduled to interview but cancelled his interview to seek other options. So Ossenfort had his choice of leftovers; the Cardinal Way! He also was stuck with a vastly overpaid, divisive QB. In fact Gannon may have been chosen because he was okay working with Murray. I don’t know how you win with a second line HC and an erratic QB.

So yes it’s been almost like starting over. Once again the Cards were left with nobody else’s top HC choice. Get used to it. The top people aren’t coming here. In 2026 the Cards, desperately needed a QB, yet were faced the worst QB draft options I can recall. This is hilarious considering they had such a high pick. I don’t know if there is a Cards’ curse. However, I’m reviewing pictures of the opening of King Tut’s tomb to see if Dollar Bill was there. The Cards have taken a long shot QB, but I’m not hopeful. I really haven’t seen a free agent that expressed an interest in AZ. Vet options don’t typically want to spend their dwindling years in a joyless situation.

I’m not trying to say Ossenfort has done a great job. I’m saying pun-fully the Cards were stacked against him. I’m also saying there’s no long line of clearly, potentially successful GM prospects or QB free agents salivating to come to the NFL’s desert. The Cardinals have been the elephant’s graveyard of NFL franchises. It’s where people go to end careers, not enhance them. I think Ossenfort has shown growth. Not as much as I’d hoped for but he still wants to be here. He’s clearly not intimidated by the challenge. I continue to want to see him get his first real shot at a top QB prospect in 2027. If he fails then I’ll jump on the crowded bandwagon. Since I don’t anticipate Bidwill selling, until I see a better option, I’ll dance with the girl that brung me!
 

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You remember when Mighty Casey struck out sending most in Mudville into a severe depression. Maybe it’s just my personal old age, but something feels different to me this offseason. You can only read so many articles on the NFL West before you succumb to the feeling of hopelessness. It’s not an unfamiliar feeling for a Cardinal fan, but somehow this feels worse.

Three teams sit ahead of the Cards and the consensus seems to be all have improved, yet many are questioning whether the Cards have. Several fans want to place the blame on Ossenfort. I’ve been searching my memory for which previous GM installed a system that was capable of sustaining consistent excellence. Mediocrity has historically ruled the Cardinals. Sure occasionally the Cards have been competitive, but not for long. I’ve written that chance dropped Warner, Palmer & Arians in the Cards’ lap. Those two key QBs weren’t drafted. Arians availability was a fluke. For the most part he’d been available for many previous years. So don’t rate that as a genius move by the Cards.

Likely the best football mind the Cards ever had was Don Coryell. He not only produced entertaining teams, but also several winning teams. He left the Cards in 1977. There was a contract dispute (isn’t that a Bidwill tradition). However, in large part he left because of a lack of personnel control, again partly based on the unwillingness of the Bidwills to invest in winning. Before someone ventures, “salary cap,” keep in mind Bidwill’s rejection of using contract bell & whistles that teams were including to sweeten their offers. Anyway Bidwill could have made Coryell the GM and probably remained relevant for years. Instead the Cards got lured to AZ spending several years in exile playing in a college stadium. AZ finally built them a showplace, but the team has rarely lived up to their building.

I have to laugh when people say dump Ossenfort. I asked on the board, “Hire who”? The point is no one of quality will work for a Bidwill. Consider both Reid and Payton. Both were offered the Cards job including personnel control. I believe in both cases money was not the main reason they went elsewhere. Simply put, I don’t think they trusted Bidwill. They may have been offered personnel control, but there are dozens of other factors. Recall the NFLPA players survey and resulting report cards. Do players want to come to AZ? What about fan support? Will players have to contend with numerous opponent fans when playing at home? Sure winning would help, but how big is the real AZ fan base? There will almost always be better destinations for the top candidates.

So Ossenfort took over and had to immediately hire a coach. I don’t think anyone knows what limitations were put on his options. Flores was humorously suggested but he was involved in the lawsuit. The only former head coach interviewed was Morris who didn’t get a HC job anywhere. The only successful candidate, not counting Payton, was Ryans. He was scheduled to interview but cancelled his interview to seek other options. So Ossenfort had his choice of leftovers; the Cardinal Way! He also was stuck with a vastly overpaid, divisive QB. In fact Gannon may have been chosen because he was okay working with Murray. I don’t know how you win with a second line HC and an erratic QB.

So yes it’s been almost like starting over. Once again the Cards were left with nobody else’s top HC choice. Get used to it. The top people aren’t coming here. In 2026 the Cards, desperately needed a QB, yet were faced the worst QB draft options I can recall. This is hilarious considering they had such a high pick. I don’t know if there is a Cards’ curse. However, I’m reviewing pictures of the opening of King Tut’s tomb to see if Dollar Bill was there. The Cards have taken a long shot QB, but I’m not hopeful. I really haven’t seen a free agent that expressed an interest in AZ. Vet options don’t typically want to spend their dwindling years in a joyless situation.

I’m not trying to say Ossenfort has done a great job. I’m saying pun-fully the Cards were stacked against him. I’m also saying there’s no long line of clearly, potentially successful GM prospects or QB free agents salivating to come to the NFL’s desert. The Cardinals have been the elephant’s graveyard of NFL franchises. It’s where people go to end careers, not enhance them. I think Ossenfort has shown growth. Not as much as I’d hoped for but he still wants to be here. He’s clearly not intimidated by the challenge. I continue to want to see him get his first real shot at a top QB prospect in 2027. If he fails then I’ll jump on the crowded bandwagon. Since I don’t anticipate Bidwill selling, until I see a better option, I’ll dance with the girl that brung me!
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Well Harry hopefully you feel better after getting all that off your chest! haha. :) But thanks for the interesting content.

Yes, you’re correct, the mood here is darker than it ever has been. But can you recall a preseason where we weren’t favored to win even one game during the year? Not even one?

How is that even possible Harry? In a league that has done a magnificent job of creating parity?

I think people would be amenable to giving Monti more time if he had been even “below average”.

But if you look individually at all of the decisions he’s made over three plus years, it’s a horror show. It’s cover-your-eyes bad.

He should literally change professions because he is unbelievably bad at what he currently does.
 
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The puny Monti has struck out. Again and again and again. No, we aren't going to people who are already great or hot prospects to come here as GM. We do need to find someone that is actually competent and not some hack that constantly has to try (and fail!) to fix the many mistakes of his own making. Monti sucks. That's indisputable. The only hope by some is that he'll stop sucking, somehow, and that's why we should keep him.
 

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Monty has had plenty of chances to draft studs and passed. Got hosed with the Murray contract and limitations running an offense which hurt offensive player development. Losing our OL coach killed the run game and Gannon's play safe scheme on defense didn't help anyone.
 

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Sticking with Monti because you can’t identify someone better is ultimate loser mentality. Just like with HC you have to keep chopping wood until you unearth something that can stick.

San Fran was a bad organization until Shanahan and Lynch professionalized it. Lynch was no lock to be great.

The Rams were a joke. McVay was no prince who was promised. He was 31 years old when he started there. Les Snead hired Jeff Fisher before hiring McVay.

Take big swings. Arians was a big swing. Neither Warner nor Palmer were sure things when they come in. You just can’t muddle along once someone shows you who they are.

Monti was the last of the Patriot Way Misfires. Dump him in the bin and move forward.
 
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Citation needed. Monti just got his dream job and was going to immediately surrender control?
Here’s one on Reid

If I get a chance I’ll see if I kept the Payton references, but I doubt they negotiated salary for the entirety of the 7 hour interview.
 
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Citation needed. Monti just got his dream job and was going to immediately surrender control?
Forgot about this one, The Athletic “Payton has already interviewed with the Broncos and Texans and is set to meet with the Cardinals on Thursday, according to multiple reports. Some have questioned whether Arizona’s hiring of general manager Monti Ossenfort would have an impact on Payton’s view of the Cardinals opening, given that he’s expected to want control of personnel decisions.” 7/23/23 Joseph Person
 

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Forgot about this one, The Athletic “Payton has already interviewed with the Broncos and Texans and is set to meet with the Cardinals on Thursday, according to multiple reports. Some have questioned whether Arizona’s hiring of general manager Monti Ossenfort would have an impact on Payton’s view of the Cardinals opening, given that he’s expected to want control of personnel decisions.” 7/23/23 Joseph Person
Yes you just made it up
 

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Here’s one on Reid

If I get a chance I’ll see if I kept the Payton references, but I doubt they negotiated salary for the entirety of the 7 hour interview.
I mean, I understand that Reid was looking for personnel control in a vacancy (decide the GM). IIRC he never even made it here; KC gave Reid everything he wanted.

I have little doubt personnel control was a question for Payton; likely Arizona’s commitment to Kyler Murray was, as well. Michael and Monti couldn’t close him, and now we have Coach Good Hang and Payton is 32-19 with the Broncos and had them in the conference championship game last year.

Just because Monti couldn’t succeed despite Michael doesn’t mean no one can do better than the 15-36 record his teams have produced. Monti is an incompetent oaf and has been from the beginning when his first act was to tamper with Jonathan Gannon.
 

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The ineptitude of this franchise has nothing to do with any past GM, any past HC, or any past QB. Until the Bidwill family leaves, there’s zero hope for any long term success, and only a modicum of hope for periodic flashes of fun. I say this not to be a negative Nancy, but because after watching how this family has operated since 1964, there’s no other conclusion to arrive at. So, stop having crazy expectations, drink heavily on Sundays, and always have a backup team to root for once the Cardinals are mathematically eliminated by week 10. It’s not impossible to do, I’ve done it for the 62 years I’ve been a Cardinals fan.
 

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Just because Monti couldn’t succeed despite Michael doesn’t mean no one can do better than the 15-36 record his teams have produced. Monti is an incompetent oaf and has been from the beginning when his first act was to tamper with Jonathan Gannon.
This

MO is not good and needs to be shown the door

The other issue is who would MB replace him with?
 

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The ineptitude of this franchise has nothing to do with any past GM, any past HC, or any past QB. Until the Bidwill family leaves, there’s zero hope for any long term success, and only a modicum of hope for periodic flashes of fun. I say this not to be a negative Nancy, but because after watching how this family has operated since 1964, there’s no other conclusion to arrive at. So, stop having crazy expectations, drink heavily on Sundays, and always have a backup team to root for once the Cardinals are mathematically eliminated by week 10. It’s not impossible to do, I’ve done it for the 62 years I’ve been a Cardinals fan.
This just excuses the pathetic amounts of ineptitude we've had to endure with the many bad HCs and GMs.
 

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The ineptitude of this franchise has nothing to do with any past GM, any past HC, or any past QB. Until the Bidwill family leaves, there’s zero hope for any long term success, and only a modicum of hope for periodic flashes of fun. I say this not to be a negative Nancy, but because after watching how this family has operated since 1964, there’s no other conclusion to arrive at. So, stop having crazy expectations, drink heavily on Sundays, and always have a backup team to root for once the Cardinals are mathematically eliminated by week 10. It’s not impossible to do, I’ve done it for the 62 years I’ve been a Cardinals fan.
I wanted a new franchise in Arizona. This team is cursed
 

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Slightly OT - The Stockton Ports of the California League (Minor League Baseball) rebranded for 2000-2001 to become the Mudville Nine ("Casey at the Bat"):
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The ineptitude of this franchise has nothing to do with any past GM, any past HC, or any past QB. Until the Bidwill family leaves, there’s zero hope for any long term success, and only a modicum of hope for periodic flashes of fun. I say this not to be a negative Nancy, but because after watching how this family has operated since 1964, there’s no other conclusion to arrive at. So, stop having crazy expectations, drink heavily on Sundays, and always have a backup team to root for once the Cardinals are mathematically eliminated by week 10. It’s not impossible to do, I’ve done it for the 62 years I’ve been a Cardinals fan.
Your post made me laugh. I have been at it almost as long (1967) and have also had backup teams once the Cardinals have been eliminated and many years I needed a backup to the backup since my normal backup was Cincinnati since they are my son's team. As a kid he just loved those Bengal helmets.
Until ownership changes or somehow the reputation of this moribund franchise changes, a top notch HC or GM will never roam the halls of Cardinal land.
 
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