Arizona Cardinals have made a decision on QB Jacoby Brissett

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Yea i mean brisset big gets yds but dude just doesnt w gms :(((( guess murray same lol sighhhhhh have fun vikings trader murray lol

Hopin beck or if shiatty enough n yr to get arch or someone finally can get cards 1 dang poff w lol
 

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Not if you want him in for the voluntary work.
He knows the game. Hes choosing to miss with a new staff. Thats on him. He's under contract and the Cardinals have shown a willingness to negotiate. He'll come in behind and it could lead too poor play and a benching.
 

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He knows the game. Hes choosing to miss with a new staff. Thats on him. He's under contract and the Cardinals have shown a willingness to negotiate. He'll come in behind and it could lead too poor play and a benching.
I mean they already told him he’s the starter. Good for culture to have a feud with the starting QB and/or squabble over money while your starter falls behind.

He’s using the only leverage he has.

He’s going to inevitably be benched anyway. That’s why he’s looking for more guarantees right now. This team isn’t designed to win 10 games.
 

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I’m not a contract expert. But could we give Jacoby an incentive laden contract? Including wins among other incentives?
Some time ago I looked up the issue in the league CBA.
The answer then was that the league does not prohibit incentives that include 'wins' but it is a rare situation for contract language---you get enough guys with that incentive clause and you can blow the salary cap situation to heck.

I really didn't want to read through the current agreement and did a CoPilot search on the issue. I believe the answer is the same as in the previous agreement. Note that CoPilot is including links to their sources:

"Under the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), the current labor contract between the NFL and the NFL Players Association, there is no explicit prohibition on awarding win-based incentives to individual players. The CBA sets the framework for player compensation, including salary caps, benefits, and certain contract protections, but it does not ban performance-based bonuses tied to team or individual achievements Wikipedia.

In practice, teams can include win-based incentives in player contracts as part of the negotiation process. These incentives can be tied to:

  • Team wins (e.g., regular season wins, playoff wins)
  • Playoff outcomes (e.g., divisional round, conference championship, Super Bowl)
  • Individual performance metrics (e.g., sacks, interceptions, yards, touchdowns) Sports Stack Exchange+1
For example, in 2012, the San Francisco 49ers’ Ahmad Brooks signed a contract extension with win and sack incentives, including a clause that voided certain de-escalators if the team won 12 games, achieved certain playing time, and made it to the conference championship Sports Stack Exchange. This type of structure is legal under the CBA because it is negotiated between the team and the player, not a league-wide bounty program.

Key points:

  • The CBA allows teams to structure contracts with performance-based bonuses, including win-based ones Wikipedia.
  • These incentives are not considered bounties if they are part of a negotiated contract and not offered by players to each other Sports Stack Exchange.
  • Win-based incentives can be combined with other performance metrics in a single contract.
  • They are subject to the team’s salary cap and contract negotiation rules.
Bottom line: Yes — the NFL Players Agreement does not prohibit win-based incentives for players. Teams can include them in contracts as part of the negotiation process, as long as they are not illegal league policies (such as player-to-player bounties) Sports Stack Exchange+1.
 

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Yeah pay him for this year, that's reasonable. He's the obvious starter. They can play games and say there is a competition but everyone knows he's the presumed starter.
The Cards FO (meaning MB and the next-up GM) are clueless and/or ignorant as to team chemistry and building trust with the players.

JB answered the bell as our starter even as the team's starting roster disintegrated around him. He took the field with a pre-season mix of players, 4th-5th string RB, walking wounded among the OL and delivered in his role at the QB. He got back on the field even as our D failed to hold a lead.

His numbers were not 'garbage time' stats---that happens when the other team plays 'vanilla' in order to keep starters from getting injured after the game is out of hand. The opposing team saw opportunity to 'pad their stats' with sacks, pressuers, INTs. If you watched the games with a clear and unbiased eye, you saw a QB under siege who still fought for every inch---and delivered to a few of our other warriors.

The final record was a disaster. But what the Card did win was some player loyalty and belief in JB as their QB. The players wanted to win as much for JB as themselves. They no longer had a QB who preferred to sit on the bench and sulk during the final series of a playoff loss---they had a QB who went down fighting and stood with his teammates while he took a beat-down. We did not have a single player come out against JB and he never voiced any negative comments about his teammates. That is a priceless victory and should be something to salvage out of a 3-14 (and 1-11) season. It is not something you just throw away with clueless decisions with the roster.

So, how does MB/MO acknowledge that team effort and 'culture change' event? They bring in another QB and pay him MORE than they are paying JB. Nothing against Minshew, but that kind of clueless move is noted by all the players and not just JB. Cards expect JB to be the starter and also a coach and mentor to Beck---by paying the new backup more than they are paying him. Consider your own job---what would be your reaction if the similar thing was done to you??

They should have called JB in and acknowledged his effort to keep the team afloat. It they made the decision that Minshew was a better option at QB---they should have let JB walk and pay his remaining salary. JB shouldn't pay the price for KM's salary cap hit toward the QB room---that wasn't his mistake.

Is there any wonder that this team is hopeless for their entire history when they do this to players who played hard---even in defeat.
 

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I have no understanding why people are wailing and gnashing their teeth over this. Handing him a few dollars extra doesn't affect any of us - it's not our money - and is there anyone else out there that we're not spending this money on that people want, that think a mild Jacoby Brissett raise is preventing us from getting?

We have plenty of cap space. Giving him a few million more and some incentives aren't stopping us from adding one of the lingering free agents, or handing money to like, Michael Wilson on an extension this season.

It seems like people don't want us to pay him simply out of principle, not because it has any kind of negative impact on the team.
 

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I have no understanding why people are wailing and gnashing their teeth over this. Handing him a few dollars extra doesn't affect any of us - it's not our money - and is there anyone else out there that we're not spending this money on that people want, that think a mild Jacoby Brissett raise is preventing us from getting?

We have plenty of cap space. Giving him a few million more and some incentives aren't stopping us from adding one of the lingering free agents, or handing money to like, Michael Wilson on an extension this season.

It seems like people don't want us to pay him simply out of principle, not because it has any kind of negative impact on the team.
I've come to the realization that common sense negates the purpose of the forum. I'm sure all the members are pretty smart but there still needs to be discussion no matter the topic. At least, that's what I've been told...;)
 

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I mean they already told him he’s the starter. Good for culture to have a feud with the starting QB and/or squabble over money while your starter falls behind.

He’s using the only leverage he has.

He’s going to inevitably be benched anyway. That’s why he’s looking for more guarantees right now. This team isn’t designed to win 10 games.
d in this mornings presser the HC said " whoever turns out to be the starter"

its camp..JC should be listed as the starter... but it should also be his job to lose.
 

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I'm unenthused about Brissett being the starting quarterback as the next guy, but if he continues to take the hits like he did last season, he deserves to be paid for it.
 

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Mind boggling! I'm not quite sure how anyone expected Brissett to win a few more games when the defense was giving up an average of 36.5 PPG in his starts while he had running backs that would struggle to be in the UFL and an offensive line that was made up of practice squad players, gets sacked 43 times in 12 games, yet manages to throw 23 TDs against 8 INTs and somehow he manages to help Wilson and McBride to career years.

People complained how Murray wouldn't stand in the pocket and take hits to complete passes yet Brissett did this on a consistent basis.
 
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