Suns @ Thunder 2026 Playoffs Wednesday Game 2 Thread, 4-22-2026

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Oso sucks. The Suns were -23 with him on the floor tonight. That's after being -19 with him on the floor in Game 1. Honestly, I know MAN MAN isn't ready but I would rather him get Oso's minutes.
 
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Oso sucks. The Suns were -23 with him on the floor tonight. That's after being -19 with him on the floor in Game 1. Honestly, I know MAN MAN isn't ready but I would rather him get Oso's minutes.
oso doesn't suck - the hot takes here suck
 

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I know i sound like a WLB, but this sport is played all throughout the world, and these are the best three officials you can find to work a playoff game? GTFOOH


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oso doesn't suck - the hot takes here suck
Yes he does. If it wasn't for his 8 rebounds he would be useless. He has no shot away from the bucket and nobody respects his defense. He is a backup player that shouldn't see the floor for extended minutes most nights.

P.S. That's no hot take. I have been on Oso for more than just this game.
 
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oso is also getting on court experience against the best team on the planet in a playoff setting - and we competed - he's a back up - this isn't hard to understand unless you just don't like the kid or want to be right about doubting early on - meanwhile all of professional basketball speaks otherwise - geezus
 

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Yes he does. If it wasn't for his 8 rebounds he would be useless. He has no shot away from the bucket and nobody respects his defense. He is a backup player that shouldn't see the floor for extended minutes most nights.

P.S. That's no hot take. I have been on Oso for more than just this game.

He doesn't suck, but this is a nightmare matchup for him. He's a clever passer and finisher inside, but OKC is so long and active in the paint on D that they just shut down everything he's good at.

It also doesn't help that we've seemingly abandoned our motion, passing and give and go offense, quick passing and interior screens are stuff he's great at. Instead our offense is mostly Brooks going ISO or Green/Booker working really hard for contested shots.

He's not a starting caliber player, but he's a good player and he has been a big part of their success this year.
 

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Let's be real, Oso is at best a 10th man or lower on any other playoff team (and probably a lot of lottery teams, as well). I appreciate that he gets as much out of his very limited talent as he can, but the fact that Ott is relying on him so much is one of the major reasons the Suns have floundered much of the second half of the season.
 

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Let's be real, Oso is at best a 10th man or lower on any other playoff team (and probably a lot of lottery teams, as well). I appreciate that he gets as much out of his very limited talent as he can, but the fact that Ott is relying on him so much is one of the major reasons the Suns have floundered much of the second half of the season.
The reality is that he’s most effective in a limited change of pace type role and even then only against certain opponents.
 

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Oso......If you can't shoot in the NBA you have to be elite at something else, Defense, rebounding, or blocks.

The Suns are sorely overmatched with size and talent. I would love to see more of Man and Fleming, but the chance of either making a difference in the outcome of this series is next to 0.
 

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Oso doesn't suck, but he is just not good enough to start. He is a good backup being forced to be a starter. This is also a really bad matchup for him.

Refs were bad, but they didn't force the Suns to turn the ball over nor did they force Green, Booker, and Gillespie to shoot 2/16 from the three-point range.

I think a lot of people don't realize (or they forget) just how good of a team OKC is. Game 1 was embarrassing. Game 2 was not. Suns put up a good effort and it wasn't enough against a really good team. I would have loved to see a stretch with Dunn, Flemming, and Maluach front court. I really think that front court would give OKC some issues.
 

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We're the 8 seed against a very good 1 seed. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to shorten our rotations, especially when we've lost by 35 and 13 points in game 1 and 2. Just doesn't seem like we have much to lose and everything to gain. I can see that if you are a contender, but we are far from that.

I'd rather play the young guys and get them experience than see the older guys get shalacked by a much younger and more experienced team. Getting Flemming, ManMan and Dunn more playoff experience has no downside IMO, especially since there is little to no concern that we can actually beat the Thunder in a 7 game series.
 

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He doesn't suck, but this is a nightmare matchup for him. He's a clever passer and finisher inside, but OKC is so long and active in the paint on D that they just shut down everything he's good at.

It also doesn't help that we've seemingly abandoned our motion, passing and give and go offense, quick passing and interior screens are stuff he's great at. Instead our offense is mostly Brooks going ISO or Green/Booker working really hard for contested shots.

He's not a starting caliber player, but he's a good player and he has been a big part of their success this year.
Maybe suck is a slight exaggeration but not by much. Oso is no threat away from the bucket and every offense in the league knows it. If he is not rebounding, he usually does little of everything else. I think the previous posters nailed it. He is a very situational type of player. He isn't someone you want to have extended minutes. Oso contributed but big part? That’s an exaggeration also. He isn't GREAT at anything and if he is not rebounding or protecting the rim? He isn't good for much else.

I agree we have seen too much of the ISO hero ball crap. I heard some analysis yesterday that Brooks volumes of shots are off the chart and that when he is your high-volume shooter the Suns lose. Then we see Book and Jalen at times get caught up in that crap.

OKC is a great team and they make people look bad but the Suns have been struggling the entire 2nd half of the season. This isn't just an OKC thing. I am most frustrated with Ott. When the team was going deeper into the bench everyone was praising Ott for not being afraid to go with other lineups when guys were struggling. That has basically evaporated.

We are playing likely the best team on the planet. What do we have to lose? We already have been worked 2 games in a row. Give Man Man that time. Give Flemming more time. They likely don't make a difference, but they get experience and we find out what we have under the most high-pressure cooker (playoffs) on the planet.
 
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Maybe suck is a slight exaggeration but not by much. Oso is no threat away from the bucket and every offense in the league knows it. If he is not rebounding he usually doesn't little of everything else. I think the previous posters nailed it. He is a very situational type player. He isn't someone you want to have extended minutes. Oso contributed but big part? That’s an exaggeration also. He isn't GREAT at anything and if he is not rebounding or protecting the rim? He isn't good for much else.

I agree we have seen too much of the ISO hero ball crap. I heard some analysis yesterday that Brooks volumes of shots are off the chart and that when he is your high-volume shooter the Suns lose. Then we see Book and Jalen at times get caught up in that crap.

OKC is a great team and they make people look bad but the Suns have been struggling the entire 2nd half of the season. This isn't just an OKC thing either. I am most frustrated with Ott. When the team was going deeper into the bench everyone was praising Ott for not being afraid to go with other lineups when guys were struggling. That has basically evaporated.

We are playing likely the best team on the planet. What do we have to lose? We already have been worked 2 games in a row.
This feels strangely like Ott spoke to someone like Kenny Atkinson or Darvin Ham (both former bosses) and they told him that he had to shorten his rotation in the playoffs. It's just weird to me that he would revert from a guy who takes chances and isn't afraid to shake things up to someone that is stubbornly sticking to the status quo for NBA playoff basketball.
 

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This feels strangely like Ott spoke to someone like Kenny Atkinson or Darvin Ham (both former bosses) and they told him that he had to shorten his rotation in the playoffs. It's just weird to me that he would revert from a guy who takes chances and isn't afraid to shake things up to someone that is stubbornly sticking to the status quo for NBA playoff basketball.

Steve Clifford is part of the staff here, listed as a coaching consultant. He has 10 years as a head coach under his belt with a few playoff trips with both Charlotte and Orlando.

He doesn't have a lot of success but given his ability to stay employed for over 2 decades, he's got something going for him. Given Ott is a rookie coach I don't think they had a ton of choices for assistants unless they were promised a chance to take over and I doubt Ishbia was willing to do that. That would explain why Clifford is a coaching consultant also rather than a regular assistant, he's here for Ott more than the team.
 

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Steve Clifford is part of the staff here, listed as a coaching consultant. He has 10 years as a head coach under his belt with a few playoff trips with both Charlotte and Orlando.

He doesn't have a lot of success but given his ability to stay employed for over 2 decades, he's got something going for him. Given Ott is a rookie coach I don't think they had a ton of choices for assistants unless they were promised a chance to take over and I doubt Ishbia was willing to do that. That would explain why Clifford is a coaching consultant also rather than a regular assistant, he's here for Ott more than the team.
Getting to the playoffs is one thing, being successful in them is another. If the advice he's getting is indeed from Clifford, then I say get him the hell away from Jordan Ott. Because his playoff advice is crap.
 

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The OKC Thunder are now 69-9 over the last two years when forcing at least 18 turnovers, including last night vs. Suns. That’s a 89% win percentage.

When the turnover margin is 10 or more, OKC is now 34-3. That’s a 92% win percentage.

Margin for error is *extremely* slim.
 

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Getting to the playoffs is one thing, being successful in them is another. If the advice he's getting is indeed from Clifford, then I say get him the hell away from Jordan Ott. Because his playoff advice is crap.
It's just perplexing. If you have a team as deep as OKC, I get it. You can afford things that other teams can't. When you have a team like the Suns, unconventional is what got you here. That's the key to your success. I said it earlier. Not sure if Ott is scared as a new coach or just fell into the "you must to X" because it's the playoffs or maybe it is advice. I would be happy with taking more chances because so far what he is doing hasn't worked. Ultimately, if the outcome is the same you can at least hang your hat on you did everything you could.
 
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dillon and the 4th quarter showed us alot - okc saw it too they just wanted the game to be over - we're no threat to the thunder this year but ott left manman in the entire 4th - when he isn't lost he's a presence - i wasn't even bothered when he'd take off the wrong way or hesitate before going the right way - he was learning and so was okc - they went from driving to the bucket to hitting pop up push shots floaters or just kicking it out to the 3 - definitely different than oso (who still doesn't suck lol) - but the 4th quarter was led by dillon brooks - i think some were ready to call it a night after that horrid 3rd quarter but the villain had other plans

my wife thinks we need to do another t-shirt day for brooks in phx - he dropped 42 last time
 
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