The Devin Booker non-appreciation thread.

[newBluePlanet]

book scored 32 tonight and the suns lost by a lot

thanks for validating my point. try to keep up

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

thanks for validating my point. try to keep up

i was low key mocking the poster who finds different conflicting reasons to go at book all the time

read the post again mr keep up

 

[Phrazbit]

no. you're still in a darkness of your own making. i was right about Book 7 years ago and i'm right now, because results, stats, and common sense don't lie

you want to talk stats?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2026_advanced.html#advanced_stats::eek:bpm

Booker is
ranked 43 in Offensive Plus/Minus
ranked 138 in Defensive Plus/Minus
ranked 39 in Efficiency Rating
ranked 53 in Turnover %
ranked 102 in Field Goal %
ranked 126 in Effective Field Goal %
ranked 163 in 3pt %

yet only 11 players have the ball in their hands more than him!
he's ranked 12 in Usage (Booker-Ball)

and, no, his defense rating hasn't improved
his career average is 115.5
now it's 117.4

the only thing he even cracked the top 20 in is Assist %
rated 20

oh, except salary. He's among the top 10 paid basketball players in history

Dude posts a bunch of stats that clearly demonstrate that Booker is carrying a gigantic offensive load while still playing solid defense... while surrounded by role players and d-league castoffs.

"LOOK AT THIS LOSER!"

I bet if you'd bothered to show up before the season and made a guess what the record would be right now you'd be 15 wins short.

Sorry that your bandwagon Laker fan experience isn't up to your expectation.

Go pull for Bronny... you know... since the Lakers are so savvy.

 

[Chaplin]

But...money. The salary Booker makes probably demands even better performance than he's been giving.

In today's league, that probably applies to 95% of all players.

 

[Hoop Head]

In today's league, that probably applies to 95% of all players.

Sounds right. The 3rd largest salary for the Suns hasn't suited up for us and won't as he's a Clipper now. Book's salary isn't a problem until Ishbia says it is.

 

[Carolinacacti]

If Williams and Collins are not signed let's talk

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

btw can i change my name to booksOrangePlanet? i'll pay the shipping fees

many thx to the mods

 

[newBluePlanet]

many thx to the mods

congratulations, BOP. that certainly is an improvement over birdbong-whatever. i'm glade i inspired it. now every time you post, everyone will think of me.

but it does make you look like a Booker fan, not a Suns fan, given his miserable stats and crippling salary

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

congratulations, BOP. that certainly is an improvement over birdbong-whatever. i'm glade i inspired it. now every time you post, everyone will think of me.

but it does make you look like a Booker fan, not a Suns fan, given his miserable stats and crippling salary

thx man i knew you'd like it

 

[newBluePlanet]

Book's salary isn't a problem until Ishbia says it is.

my new year's resolution is to be kinder.
so. i'll gently ask...
do you understand that every dollar you spend on one player is a dollar you can't spend on another player in the interest of winning a championship (unless, of course, the salary cap means nothing -- but it does)?

and, given his factual, irrefutable stats, that it may even be the case that with him taking up a spot on the court, the decade of failures (several epic) would logically continue...especially now given the burden of his super-max salary?

 

[newBluePlanet]

Dude posts a bunch of stats that clearly demonstrate that Booker is carrying a gigantic offensive load while still playing solid defense... while surrounded by role players and d-league castoffs.

happy new year, my friend! i'm here to help, if i can.

do you think the stats are a misprint, or, if they are unfair, maybe you'd like to add some stats that would justify the expenditure on Booker?

are you a Booker fan or a Suns fan?
technically, you could be both, but you can't really justify bad personnel choices and say your a Suns fan first. I ask because you keep insulting the rest of the team, for the sake of defending one player.

i should say, it is perfectly fine to be, primarily, a Booker fan. There are no rules to fandom, and if it pleases you to watch him play, that's cool. I just think what little you present, and the way you present it, is irrational and a form of denial.

 

[Phrazbit]

happy new year, my friend! i'm here to help, if i can.

do you think the stats are a misprint, or, if they are unfair, maybe you'd like to add some stats that would justify the expenditure on Booker?

are you a Booker fan or a Suns fan?
technically, you could be both, but you can't really justify bad personnel choices and say your a Suns fan first. I ask because you keep insulting the rest of the team, for the sake of defending one player.

i should say, it is perfectly fine to be, primarily, a Booker fan. There are no rules to fandom, and if it pleases you to watch him play, that's cool. I just think what little you present, and the way you present it, is irrational and a form of denial.

Nah, long time, Suns fan. I guess I’m not “savvy” enough to jump from one team to another.

 

[Finito]

I think we’ve created a situation where we have to trade him. We have no assets at all and he’s the only real thing that can bring us back something.

It’s gonna be damn near impossible to build anything worth something around him.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think we’ve created a situation where we have to trade him. We have no assets at all and he’s the only real thing that can bring us back something.

It’s gonna be damn near impossible to build anything worth something around him.

Our path to title contention is virtually non-existent, the Durant trade caused that, but trading Booker to a contender for bad contracts and future picks pretty much guarantees pure misery well into the next decade.

 

[GatorAZ]

I think we’ve created a situation where we have to trade him. We have no assets at all and he’s the only real thing that can bring us back something.

It’s gonna be damn near impossible to build anything worth something around him.

His trade value is nuetral at this point. Hes overpaid and in decline. He hasn’t been a superstar caliber player since 2022 when he was first team all NBA.

 

[Finito]

Our path to title contention is virtually non-existent, the Durant trade caused that, but trading Booker to a contender for bad contracts and future picks pretty much guarantees pure misery well into the next decade.

So where we are now.

 

[Phrazbit]

So where we are now.

We’re going to win 45-50 games, we’re fun to watch.

Trade Booker, the main benefactors would be the teams that already own our picks, we’d be terrible and no one would want to be here, including guys that are here currently.

We become that team that signs Kyle Kuzma for 40 million because half decent players won’t even look our direction.

Brooks would want out, keeping Allen and O’Neill would be pointless so trade them too, don’t know why Gillespie would want to stay in free agency.

That would be some real fun times.

 

[newBluePlanet]

We’re going to win 45-50 games, we’re fun to watch.

Trade Booker, the main benefactors would be the teams that already own our picks, we’d be terrible and no one would want to be here, including guys that are here currently.

We become that team that signs Kyle Kuzma for 40 million because half decent players won’t even look our direction.

Brooks would want out, keeping Allen and O’Neill would be pointless so trade them too, don’t know why Gillespie would want to stay in free agency.

That would be some real fun times.

i clearly hear what the other responders are saying. But are you saying Booker's value (which the stats bare out) is so insignificant and his salary is so disproportionate that we would be terrible because we'd get garbage in trade?

i can't argue with that. Well, actually, i disagree that we'd be terrible. I'd say we'd still be fun to watch and win, at least, the same 45 to 50 games because Green would give us Book's points and Collin is a plus at the pg position.

i guess the difference between us, is that i like the rest of the roster and i'm optimistic about the coach. Go Suns!

 

[Finito]

We’re going to win 45-50 games, we’re fun to watch.

Trade Booker, the main benefactors would be the teams that already own our picks, we’d be terrible and no one would want to be here, including guys that are here currently.

We become that team that signs Kyle Kuzma for 40 million because half decent players won’t even look our direction.

Brooks would want out, keeping Allen and O’Neill would be pointless so trade them too, don’t know why Gillespie would want to stay in free agency.

That would be some real fun times.

That’s a losers mentality. Being happy trying to make the play in is the worst possible position in the NBA.

Like it’s been pointed out his value is already falling. Get out while you still can

But whatever

 

[Phrazbit]

That’s a losers mentality. Being happy trying to make the play in is the worst possible position in the NBA.

Like it’s been pointed out his value is already falling. Get out while you still can

But whatever

We have no picks... we made an all-time terrible trade when we traded for Durant. This is the result.

We've got zero, absolutely zero hope of winning a title for much of the next decade. I'd rather spend that watching a fun team that tries and actually plays in playoff games vs a hopeless franchise that sells off players despite having no pick.

We trade Booker during a season where we're extremely likely to make the playoffs, everything collapses. No one will want to sign here, no one of any talent will want to PLAY here. We're the Hornets, we're the Wizards.

This subject is basically moot, because there is no chance that he gets traded, and rightfully so. It would be waiving a white flag and saying "peace out on remotely interesting basketball, see you in a decade!"

 

[Hoop Head]

One thing regularly overlooked in trading Book is replacing Book. In 11 years we've failed to add anyone near his level through the draft but now we're supposed to draft his replacement and enough pieces to upgrade around him by trading Devin alone? Not seeing it. The draft history isn't exclusive to us either as it's rare to hit picks out of the park consistently. If Book was so replaceable then why haven't other teams added better players? We have no other picks so it would be Book alone bringing all this back. I'll take the competitive and entertaining team we have now over that future any day.

 

[Chaplin]

We've got zero, absolutely zero hope of winning a title for much of the next decade. I'd rather spend that watching a fun team that tries and actually plays in playoff games vs a hopeless franchise that sells off players despite having no pick.

It's historically the Suns Way. A good but not great team that gets to the playoffs regularly but never gets further than the 2nd round. That would be nice, but need it to be a stepping stone, not the way of the world.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

It's historically the Suns Way. A good but not great team that gets to the playoffs regularly but never gets further than the 2nd round. That would be nice, but need it to be a stepping stone, not the way of the world.

i feel better about the first round pick we don't have this year - thought it was going to be a lottery pick but i feel better with every win while developing fleming and manman

 

[Mainstreet]

We have no picks... we made an all-time terrible trade when we traded for Durant. This is the result.

We've got zero, absolutely zero hope of winning a title for much of the next decade. I'd rather spend that watching a fun team that tries and actually plays in playoff games vs a hopeless franchise that sells off players despite having no pick.

We trade Booker during a season where we're extremely likely to make the playoffs, everything collapses. No one will want to sign here, no one of any talent will want to PLAY here. We're the Hornets, we're the Wizards.

This subject is basically moot, because there is no chance that he gets traded, and rightfully so. It would be waiving a white flag and saying "peace out on remotely interesting basketball, see you in a decade!"

I wouldn't say "absolutely zero hope of winning a title for much of the next decade" when players like Jokic can fall into the second round.

Of course the Suns need to find these players and have a whole lot of luck... not to mention having a draft pick to select him.

 

[newBluePlanet]

straight talk, reality check
PART 1

a few of you make me nervous
and, if you dared enter this thread instead of the "Booker is the Greatest Sun"
you might have figured out by now that what i'm talking about goes beyond basketball.
it speaks to the public's ability to conveniently disregard discernible facts

the stats on Booker are crystal clear
they were there last year too (and posted)
but still, even smart, knowledgeable fans use their brain power, doing mental gymnastics to work around the truth
and that includes personally attacking the messenger
(sound familiar? -- in the daily news)

Exhibit A: the latest double-somersault with a twist is...
The Suns would be "terrible" without Booker. Our better players would leave and no one would want to come here!

I've been a Suns fan for 37 straight years. 50 years ago, in NY, i rooted for their Alvan Adams team in the Finals on a 12" black & white TV in my basement. In the LA Forum, i watched Magic (the #2 GOAT) win a playoff game against the impressive Sun's KJ, Horny, and Marley. I (also) rooted for them ever since.

PHX is a great market and has suited up many of the game's greatest (Barkley, Nash, Kidd, etc..) and other greats. In fact, the Booker decade of the Suns was their WORST decade ever, despite building around him with 7 coaches and 6 roster turnovers.

so. to even ponder whether the Suns can do without him, is not blind ignorance, it's a willful denial of reality.

why? how? and why it matters?
to be continued...