The Devin Booker non-appreciation thread.

[AzStevenCal]

Losing the coinflip for Alcindor (KAJ) is probably the worst bit of luck in the history of sports though.

Yeah we probably would have lost him to LA like Milwaukee did but at least we would have had 6 years with a great center in his prime. But the bad luck that led to Ayton bothers me even more.

 

[newBluePlanet]

Yes you take Booker off this team it would crumble. But I think when Green and Grayson come back you trade Booker and the team is better.

exactly. the offense would crumble without Booker, Green and Grayson, but with the latter 2, Booker's offense is redundant, while his defensive and leadership deficiencies are a drag

 

[newBluePlanet]

this is beyond dumb...At the end there is 1 winner and 29 losers. No consolation prizes for suiting up.

wow. thanks for explaining the way sports works. talk about dumb. here's the most important way it works -- you pick, pay and "suit up" the right players to work together. And when ANY can't cut it, you move them along instead of dismissing their deficiencies after building the franchise around them for a decade, because he's got a local fan club wearing rose colored glasses!!!

 

[newBluePlanet]

Booker is not a superstar and is overpaid, but you could say that about 90% of all NBA players ever.

illogical. teams have a budget. the team that manages it better is much more apt to win

Quality Employees/players who work hard, produce at a high level, attract talent and stay loyal no matter what are hard to find and are valuable assets.

illogical.
1.we're not talking about the staff. we're talking about players paid millions to WIN
2. there's ZERO value in loyalty in regards to winning. Book's loyalty was bought by paying and treating him like a prince in phx and the Suns PR team aggressively marketing him as such.
3. Booker attracted Durant. period. As of today, no one who wants to win is going to be attracted to compete on a team saddled with a #3 with a super-max salary who's primarily just a scorer

a 9-page thread of you debating his short comings, largely with yourself is a bit much.

it's a necessary thread to balance out this Suns forum. and, obviously it's needed, because a new thread was started that people were engaged in

There is a lot to like about this team and Booker, you should check it out, you might even enjoy this team.

as i have stated, i do enjoy this team. And even Booker is much more tolerable now that the coach seems to get the team concept and other players are stepping up to lead. I could live with this team as is, but i just don't get why we'd have to when, imo, we could compete for a championship this season by trading what you all believe is our most valuable asset, but i believe is redundant at best, for a part we NEED.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

exactly. the offense would crumble without Booker, Green and Grayson, but with the latter 2, Booker's offense is redundant, while his defensive and leadership deficiencies are a drag

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[BooksOrangePlanet]

wow. thanks for explaining the way sports works. talk about dumb. here's the most important way it works -- you pick, pay and "suit up" the right players to work together. And when ANY can't cut it, you move them along instead of dismissing their deficiencies after building the franchise around them for a decade, because he's got a local fan club wearing rose colored glasses!!!

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[newBluePlanet]

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ok, let me try and explain this like i'm talking to a little girl...

basketball savvy cities like N.Y. and LA would never sacrifice their team for any one player. Right now, many in LA are calling for moving King James because he just doesn't make them better -- period. James or Devin scoring big and/or taking over games in crunch time does not = wins.

in one way, someone was right to compare Booker to Larry Fitzgerald. A local legend that exemplifies 2-way loyalty. The big difference, however, is that we paid Larry fairly and he played a role. We didn't build the Cardinals around Larry and sacrifice winning to do so.

the sad irony is the way this mimics politics now. The real owners -- the people -- are brainwashed into sacrificing their best interest to blindly support one person over themselves

and those who are most disconnected from the truth, reply with empty memes instead of words and sentences with meaning

oops. i guess this explanation would actually make no sense to a little girl

 

[Mainstreet]

ok, let me try and explain this like i'm talking to a little girl...

basketball savvy cities like N.Y. and LA would never sacrifice their team for any one player. Right now, many in LA are calling for moving King James because he just doesn't make them better -- period. James or Devin scoring big and/or taking over games in crunch time does not = wins.

in one way, someone was right to compare Booker to Larry Fitzgerald. A local legend that exemplifies 2-way loyalty. The big difference, however, is that we paid Larry fairly and he played a role. We didn't build the Cardinals around Larry and sacrifice winning to do so.

the sad irony is the way this mimics politics now. The real owners -- the people -- are brainwashed into sacrificing their best interest to blindly support one person over themselves

and those who are most disconnected from the truth, reply with empty memes instead of words and sentences with meaning

oops. i guess this explanation would actually make no sense to a little girl

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

ok, let me try and explain this like i'm talking to a little girl...

basketball savvy cities like N.Y. and LA would never sacrifice their team for any one player. Right now, many in LA are calling for moving King James because he just doesn't make them better -- period. James or Devin scoring big and/or taking over games in crunch time does not = wins.

in one way, someone was right to compare Booker to Larry Fitzgerald. A local legend that exemplifies 2-way loyalty. The big difference, however, is that we paid Larry fairly and he played a role. We didn't build the Cardinals around Larry and sacrifice winning to do so.

the sad irony is the way this mimics politics now. The real owners -- the people -- are brainwashed into sacrificing their best interest to blindly support one person over themselves

and those who are most disconnected from the truth, reply with empty memes instead of words and sentences with meaning

oops. i guess this explanation would actually make no sense to a little girl

my memes are dope bro - i don't think you're appreciating the complexity

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[Phrazbit]

ok, let me try and explain this like i'm talking to a little girl...

basketball savvy cities like N.Y. and LA would never sacrifice their team for any one player. Right now, many in LA are calling for moving King James because he just doesn't make them better -- period. James or Devin scoring big and/or taking over games in crunch time does not = wins.

in one way, someone was right to compare Booker to Larry Fitzgerald. A local legend that exemplifies 2-way loyalty. The big difference, however, is that we paid Larry fairly and he played a role. We didn't build the Cardinals around Larry and sacrifice winning to do so.

the sad irony is the way this mimics politics now. The real owners -- the people -- are brainwashed into sacrificing their best interest to blindly support one person over themselves

and those who are most disconnected from the truth, reply with empty memes instead of words and sentences with meaning

oops. i guess this explanation would actually make no sense to a little girl

This is such a hilariously ignorant view of recent basketball history.

Basketball savvy cities like LA and NY…

The Knicks have repeatedly made wild gambles on one player or another. The Nets made one of the worst trades of all time.

The Lakers have been completely beholden to LeBron. Yes, their fans are pissing and moaning now, but LeBron is still there. The head coach he chose is still there. The untalented kid he forced them to draft is still on their roster and he is being paid an insane amount of money to be a crappy 42-year-old NBA player.

And forget the Clippers, they’re just flat out morons.

 

[newBluePlanet]

oops. i guess this explanation would actually make no sense to a little girl

the bb savvy, critical, demanding people in NY and LA are the fans, not management
and, i know. i was a Knick fan when i lived in NY, and a Laker fan when i lived in LA

check yourself before you barge in on this thread with "hilariously ignorant" accusations

 

[Hoop Head]

the bb savvy, critical, demanding people in NY and LA are the fans, not management
and, i know. i was a Knick fan when i lived in NY, and a Laker fan when i lived in LA

check yourself before you barge in on this thread with "hilariously ignorant" accusations

That explains a lot. You're a fair weather fan of sorts who has no real vested interest in your team as your team is in a constant state of flux.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

the bb savvy, critical, demanding people in NY and LA are the fans, not management
and, i know. i was a Knick fan when i lived in NY, and a Laker fan when i lived in LA

check yourself before you barge in on this thread with "hilariously ignorant" accusations

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[newBluePlanet]

That explains a lot. You're a fair weather fan of sorts who has real vested interest in your team as your team is in a constant state of flux.

you bet your hole it explains a lot. All the games are broadcast, and you get to know the players. If you're gullible, you believe the hype surrounding your hometown star -- in the worst case you might even prioritize them over the team's success.

in NY I got to watch Walt Frazier, Dave Debuschere, Bill Bradley, Earl Monroe, etc. and on the Lakers, Magic Johnson, Kareem and James Worthy compete for trophies. I was lucky to get to watch Barkley, KJ, Nash, and Kidd here. Pitiful, that the hottest thread on this forum is Booker Is The Greatest Sun! simply because he scored the most Suns points -- because he took the most shots in Suns history (despite him being the poorest rated defensive player in Suns history and barely and rarely is even considered an all-star)

 

[Phrazbit]

the bb savvy, critical, demanding people in NY and LA are the fans, not management
and, i know. i was a Knick fan when i lived in NY, and a Laker fan when i lived in LA

check yourself before you barge in on this thread with "hilariously ignorant" accusations

I missed this, because you quoted yourself instead of me.

But yes, hilariously ignorant. As are fans of every team, or, bandwagon fans of multiple teams, in your situation.

The Lakers are enslaved to LeBron, they are paying him stupid money, they drafted his no talent kid, they hired his clueless coach, his agent has been their defacto GM for years. The knicks are a laughing stock, the Nets and Clippers are even worse. The Clippers are not only overpaying players but they're overpaying them under the table... to miss half the games.

But I am sure, given that you are a fan of whatever major market is winning at the moment, you have high exceptions.

I'm sorry that Booker isn't dragging a team of what were a combination of trash, castoffs, 2nd round picks and overpriced role players to better than a 19-13 record.

 

[Hoop Head]

you bet your hole it explains a lot. All the games are broadcast, and you get to know the players. If you're gullible, you believe the hype surrounding your hometown star -- in the worst case you might even prioritize them over the team's success.

You realize all the games are broadcast in every market for roughly 2+ decades now? Local media is accessible nationwide as well. These aren't the flexes you think they are.

 

[newBluePlanet]

He's scoring more when we lose.

yup. you called it. like today's game. We typically lose when he scores more.

so, as you know, it's not how much a PLAYER scores it's how much a TEAM scores
and, of course, that the TEAM scores more than the other team.

so, the question is
1. when you score, is it at a better percentage than the team would score without you?
2. are you scoring when it's hardest, in crunch-time, when defense is at 100%?
3. is your defensive weakness offsetting your offensive?
4. do you make good decisions when the pressure is on, or do you get flustered, hot-headed, foul-prone, turnover prone?
5. do you make your teammates better? Lead? Inspire. Communicate?

 

[newBluePlanet]

I'm sorry that Booker isn't dragging a team of what were a combination of trash, castoffs, 2nd round picks and overpriced role players to better than a 19-13 record.

now, instead of "hilariously ignorant" i'd just say that it's curiously odd that you'd credit the player who's giving you the same points and assists as his prior, disappointing season, and missing games, and "scoring more when we lose" with turning the team around instead of the coach.

And instead of Brooks who's scoring, defending, and leading.
And Collin who's thankfully taking the ball out of Book's hands and scoring 3's much better than Book's 30%
And Allen who's much more effective in the clutch.
And an agile center who can touch the rim without jumping

and who do you credit for the 8 of 10 Booker-ball seasons we sucked and had epic collapses???

 

[Phrazbit]

now, instead of "hilariously ignorant" i'd just say that it's curiously odd that you'd credit the player who's giving you the same points and assists as his prior, disappointing season, and missing games, and "scoring more when we lose" with turning the team around instead of the coach.

And instead of Brooks who's scoring, defending, and leading.
And Collin who's thankfully taking the ball out of Book's hands and scoring 3's much better than Book's 30%
And Allen who's much more effective in the clutch.
And an agile center who can touch the rim without jumping

and who do you credit for the 8 of 10 Booker-ball seasons we sucked and had epic collapses???

Maybe it wasn't horrible ownership making horrible decisions.

I've seen the light!

Damnit Booker! Why the hell as a 21 year old could you not drag Marquis Chriss, Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson to the playoffs?! We even gave him Tyson Chandler's corpse and coaches like Igor and Watson! Look how well those dudes have done since!

Who cares if the Suns have a -3 net rating when Booker isn't on the floor! It's time for the bum to get the hella outta town!

This team of role players and dudes from the d-league should be pushing for a title right now.

Just hope they don't trade him to whatever team you latch onto next! That would be a curse.

 

[Hoop Head]

yup. you called it. like today's game. We typically lose when he scores more.

so, as you know, it's not how much a PLAYER scores it's how much a TEAM scores
and, of course, that the TEAM scores more than the other team.

so, the question is
1. when you score, is it at a better percentage than the team would score without you?
2. are you scoring when it's hardest, in crunch-time, when defense is at 100%?
3. is your defensive weakness offsetting your offensive?
4. do you make good decisions when the pressure is on, or do you get flustered, hot-headed, foul-prone, turnover prone?
5. do you make your teammates better? Lead? Inspire. Communicate?

You want to take that statement with zero nuance or contest then go for it. Clearly there's other things at play beyond Book's scoring.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

book scored 32 tonight and the suns lost by a lot - some people will never grasp that it's a team sport - and get upset everytime book breaks a record - and start awesome threads

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

btw can i change my name to booksOrangePlanet? i'll pay the shipping fees

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

how much does it cost to change your name on asfn - i need to know for the go fund me

 

[newBluePlanet]

I've seen the light!
Damnit Booker! Why the hell as a 21 year old could you not drag Marquis Chriss, Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson to the playoffs?

no. you're still in a darkness of your own making. i was right about Book 7 years ago and i'm right now, because results, stats, and common sense don't lie

you want to talk stats?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2026_advanced.html#advanced_stats::eek:bpm

Booker is
ranked 43 in Offensive Plus/Minus
ranked 138 in Defensive Plus/Minus
ranked 39 in Efficiency Rating
ranked 53 in Turnover %
ranked 102 in Field Goal %
ranked 126 in Effective Field Goal %
ranked 163 in 3pt %

yet only 11 players have the ball in their hands more than him!
he's ranked 12 in Usage (Booker-Ball)

and, no, his defense rating hasn't improved
his career average is 115.5
now it's 117.4

the only thing he even cracked the top 20 in is Assist %
rated 20

oh, except salary. He's among the top 10 paid basketball players in history

 

[newBluePlanet]

Clearly there's other things at play beyond Book's scoring.

you got that right too (see above). You're 2 for 2.