OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Chopper0080]

What exactly have they built in 3 years? Does anyone see a coherent vision? Monti deserves as much of the blame as Gannon. He's taken a bad roster and transformed it into a somehow worse roster. How could anyone justify letting Monti choose our next QB?

I disagree that the roster is worse. An easy argument can be made that it just isn't any better other than being younger.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

With Kyler's cap hit at $43,325,677 and the NFL salary cap at $279,200,200, Kyler only counts for about 15.5% of the cap, not 19. That is, unless I have my numbers wrong.

I was using sportstrac for my numbers

 

[602 Native]

Ya we’ve kept so many drives alive that we’ve stayed in games! F N comical.. also comical is the context that drives stay alive when teams are in prevent.

Get back in your locker.. next!

They will twist anything into JB is better.

It is so funny to see.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

I disagree that the roster is worse. An easy argument can be made that it just isn't any better other than being younger.

I would agree. The issue is that our division rivals got much better

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I disagree that the roster is worse. An easy argument can be made that it just isn't any better other than being younger.

Worse in the sense that the overall talent may be in the same ballpark, but the previous regime at least had a young and exciting QB to sell to the fan base. What do you even sell at this point?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Worse in the sense that the overall talent may be in the same ballpark, but the previous regime at least had a young and exciting QB to sell to the fan base. What do you even sell at this point?

McBride and Nolan are about it.

 

[PDXChris]

Outside of TE, I am not sure what position group this staff has developed.

CB developed some. STV, Clark and Burke. All three have played at above their draft status. Williams maybe, but hes regressed this year. Rabbit maybe. But maybe 5 of 11? is still a terrible ratio.

 

[kerouac9]

Burke is in his first season; Clark is as butt now as he was as a rookie. This is not what “development” means.

 

[PDXChris]

Burke is in his first season; Clark is as butt now as he was as a rookie. This is not what “development” means.

And Burke is playing well for a 5th round pick rookie when he stepped inand held his own. Clark, for a 5th round pick has has shown he can stick in the league. That's what develop means. The success of a 5th round DB is 8% in the NFL.

They what you hope 5th round players develop into. Role players who can step in when asked. Stills is the same from thr 6th round.

 

[kerouac9]

And Burke is playing well for a 5th round pick rookie when he stepped inand held his own. Clark, for a 5th round pick has has shown he can stick in the league. That's what develop means. The success of a 5th round DB is 8% in the NFL.

They what you hope 5th round players develop into. Role players who can step in when asked. Stills is the same from thr 6th round.

That’s not what “develop” means. That’s good drafting, not player development.

What does “success” mean in this metric?

Neither of them start as a top six DB in a good defense. Neither of them earned a starting job. Both play for a butt defense and contribute to it being butt.

Also Isiah Adams is a tremendous bust.

 

[Stout]

Yeah, being at the same spot after 3 years and not building a playoff level team is indictment enough. It just doesn't take that long in this league, unless you're the Cardinals.

I am still pissed at all those posters ripping me and others for being "haters" and whatnot and carrying Monti's jock. Where the hell have all you asshats gone, eh?

 

[602 Native]

K1Trolling

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[Stout]

Trawling *BIM* Oh, you aren't referencing the boat appearance, but are saying he is a stan posting on this board?

 

[Dback Jon]

Trawling *BIM* Oh, you aren't referencing the boat appearance, but are saying he is a stan posting on this board?

You found me out.

I’m K1. Sorry

 

[Stout]

You found me out.

I’m K1. Sorry

I knew it!

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Thanks for taking the post in the spirit it was meant

 

[slanidrac16]

These are just uneducated statements.. if a QB is throwing that many times they are typically behind, and behind early. If a defense is up that much, they are in prevent and it is easier to make completions as well as make completions for more yardage.

So if you don’t think the yardage stats would be similar not only for your KDS hate, but any starting quality QB that throws the ball 43 times a game - I don’t know what to tell you.

We get it. You like Murray. Most of us don’t. No stats, explanation, or comparisons are going to change the minds of 95% of the people on this site.
Give it up.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

These are just uneducated statements.. if a QB is throwing that many times they are typically behind, and behind early. If a defense is up that much, they are in prevent and it is easier to make completions as well as make completions for more yardage.

So if you don’t think the yardage stats would be similar not only for your KDS hate, but any starting quality QB that throws the ball 43 times a game - I don’t know what to tell you.

Well one can definitely say that throwing it more does not automatically mean more or the same yardage as another QB in a similar statistical game.

Example: In 2019, against Carolina, KM threw the ball 43 times for only 173 yards...

 

[netsnjkidd]

Well one can definitely say that throwing it more does not automatically mean more or the same yardage as another QB in a similar statistical game.

Example: In 2019, against Carolina, KM threw the ball 43 times for only 173 yards...

43 attempts for 173yds yuck. Didnt he have a game like that this year to

 

[Brian in Mesa]

43 attempts for 173yds yuck. Didnt he have a game like that this year to

He had back-to-back games of 35 for 159 and 41 for 200. Two losses.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

He had back-to-back games of 35 for 159 and 41 for 200. Two losses.

Prawly why they don't/didn't throw a lot with him. Last I checked, if you throw it 2 yards 3x in a row...it results in a punt.

 

[Stout]

He had back-to-back games of 35 for 159 and 41 for 200. Two losses.

But yeah, the idea Brissett hasn't run the offense better is "laughable," as is the idea that Brissett's numbers are inflated due only to attempts lol

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I was using sportstrac for my numbers

That's where I was looking as well. the 19% cap hit was 2024. This year it is 15.5.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But yeah, the idea Brissett hasn't run the offense better is "laughable," as is the idea that Brissett's numbers are inflated due only to attempts lol

The offense is just different since Brissett came in. The entire scheme changed. They stopped running the ball as much on 1st and 2nd down, passing instead.

There can definitely be a debate on why the change happened. (like maybe the coaching staff didn't have enough faith in Kyler to run the offense that Brissett is running...) It isn't as though they are running the same offense and Brissett just outplayed him.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

That's where I was looking as well. the 19% cap hit was 2024. This year it is 15.5.

You are correct. Jumps back to 17.5% next year. What drunk made this contract?

Jonah Williams not being on the team and eating 7 million next year...gross

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You are correct. Jumps back to 17.5% next year. What drunk made this contract?

Jonah Williams not being on the team and eating 7 million next year...gross

Maybe Bidwill should have put in a 'no drinking clause' into Keim's contract...