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This is a joke right? Has to be.

Well lets start with this - Mark Williams by himself is in my estimation at least 75% as good as KAT and he is 7 years younger and will be able to be resigned at a much smaller number that KAT.

When you take everything into consideration - I would rather have Williams than Kat. That alone is a deal I say no to.

Then lets talk about Brooks. Dillon Brooks scored 33 in his last game as well.

For the year Brooks is averaging 22.3 PPG and KAT is averaging 22.7 PPG and Brooks has changed our entire defensive culture. I seriously would make the argument that Brooks alone is more valuable than KAT to this team.

Jalen Green is also only 23, and has a ton of upside. Call me crazy - but again I would rather have him straight up than KAT.

I mean there is a reason KAT is even available - the Knicks and the TWolves before them don't find him to be all that valuable.

If you truly don't think that is a horrible deal, I don't trust your judgement about anything basketball related.

The homerism here on this board is ridiculous

Mark Williams who’s never played more than 44 games a season? Hasn’t he already missed games this year? Guys don’t usually get healthier as there careers go on.

Dillion Brooks isn’t going to come crashing back down to earth and be Dillion Brooks?

I do like Green.

My whole point is to get KAT to flip him when we blow it up and we need to blow it up.
 

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Dillion Brooks being untradable? Dillion Brooks?

I see guys bringing up the KD trade this isn’t even close to that. Brooks, Williams and Allen are not prospects anymore we know who all these guys are and they are average at best. Anyone who thinks Brooks is gonna keep dropping 30 or Williams is gonna stay healthy is ridiculous.

I do like Green but if you’re keeping Booker do you need another ball dominant guy in the back court? By the way Green has serious flaws in his game let’s not pretend he doesn’t. I still like him

We gave up legit good prospects in the KD trade none of these guys are better than Bridges or Cam at that point plus we gave up ridiculous draft capital.

KAT is under contract for 2 more years then that’s a lot of money off the books also say you wanna blow it up. KAT and Booker can bring you back a lot more than what we got now. Either way this team ain’t contending. My look it to the future and flipping guys
I agree that none of our players are untradeable at this point for the right player. KAT ain't it though
 

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The homerism here on this board is ridiculous

Mark Williams who’s never played more than 44 games a season? Hasn’t he already missed games this year? Guys don’t usually get healthier as there careers go on.

Dillion Brooks isn’t going to come crashing back down to earth and be Dillion Brooks?

I do like Green.

My whole point is to get KAT to flip him when we blow it up and we need to blow it up.
Why do you need to blow up this team right now? What are you giving up to get KAT just to flip him? Who said the Knicks would do it anyway? You complain about homerism but it sure seems like you are just throwing darts. That seems just as ridiculous.
 

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Why do you need to blow up this team right now? What are you giving up to get KAT just to flip him? Who said the Knicks would do it anyway? You complain about homerism but it sure seems like you are just throwing darts. That seems just as ridiculous.

This is all a hypothetical trade someone posted. the Knicks would be getting Giannis in this scenario. I didn’t make this trade proposal

Pay attention before jumping in.
 

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This is all a hypothetical trade someone posted. the Knicks would be getting Giannis in this scenario. I didn’t make this trade proposal

Pay attention before jumping in.
A trade proposal is hypothetical? You don't say. I think you missed the point. Why would you need to blow up the team now? The team is playing above expectations and is the talk of the NBA. Seems a bit premature to blow it up and start thinking about fantasy trades. I find that just as ridiculous. That's the point.
 

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The homerism here on this board is ridiculous

Mark Williams who’s never played more than 44 games a season? Hasn’t he already missed games this year? Guys don’t usually get healthier as there careers go on.

Dillion Brooks isn’t going to come crashing back down to earth and be Dillion Brooks?

I do like Green.

My whole point is to get KAT to flip him when we blow it up and we need to blow it up.
Williams is being managed carefully this season. He has not been injured. I am fine with that.

Brooks is not going to come crashing down. His biggest influence is in the locker room and on the defensive end.

KAT is not as well-regarded as you think.

It’s just not a good trade suggestion from any angle.
 

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Williams is being managed carefully this season. He has not been injured. I am fine with that.

Brooks is not going to come crashing down. His biggest influence is in the locker room and on the defensive end.

KAT is not as well-regarded as you think.

It’s just not a good trade suggestion from any angle.
Brooks offensive production is a bonus to me. I never expected it. I was expecting exactly what you posted above.
 

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A trade proposal is hypothetical? You don't say. I think you missed the point. Why would you need to blow up the team now? The team is playing above expectations and is the talk of the NBA. Seems a bit premature to blow it up and start thinking about fantasy trades. I find that just as ridiculous. That's the point.

Again I’m not the one who made the trade up. I’m just talking about because why not.

Yeah the Suns who are 4-4 in our last 8 and the sitting as the 7th seed are the talk of the NBA right.
 

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Again I’m not the one who made the trade up. I’m just talking about because why not.

Yeah the Suns who are 4-4 in our last 8 and the sitting as the 7th seed are the talk of the NBA right.
You keep arguing on behalf of it whether you made it up or not. At this point you own it.
 

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Brooks offensive production is a bonus to me. I never expected it. I was expecting exactly what you posted above.
I expect his shooting to come down a bit. In particular his 2point percentage has been way better than he's ever shot in previous years. Interestingly his 3pt percentage has been well below average, so that might come up a bit.
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You keep arguing on behalf of it whether you made it up or not. At this point you own it.

Ok bud. You know what I did make it up. It came to me in a dream. Damn I wish nothing more in life for this trade to happen.

Oh I own it omg noooo whatever will I do. You got me good bro.
 

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset

KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol

In my opinion, KAT is the opposite of what identity this team is building. We don't need soft players who don't play defense. Brooks is the heart of this team, and Williams just makes the Suns look like a completely different team. Grayson has turned into a legitimate all-around player while staying the best shooter (or one of the best) in the league. Green... we've barely seen him, so I am not eager to trade him. I wouldn't trade two of these guys for KAT, let alone four.
 

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And LeBron's 19 year double digit scoring streak came to an end in Toronto tonight. It was only a matter of time after Dillon Brooks broke him. ;)

I seen somewhere if you started with $1 and bet lebron to go 10+ and just kept rolling your winnings over 1.2 for every game of his career you’d be the richest man in the world
 

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Again I’m not the one who made the trade up. I’m just talking about because why not.

Yeah the Suns who are 4-4 in our last 8 and the sitting as the 7th seed are the talk of the NBA right.
I am not talking about the trade. I am talking about blowing up the team and starting to fantasize about trades. You said blow it up, so it sounded like you supported the idea of doing some sort of trade. I am not referring to the specific made up one with Kat. I am talking in general.

If you don't think they are the talk of the NBA right now you are not paying attention. All the national shows are talking about the Suns. Nobody is saying that they are contenders but everyone is shocked at the identify transformation and how fun the team is to watch.
 

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How I look at the current situation is that they have no picks so their best bet is developing what they have. Dunn and Oso getting better and becoming legitimate rotation players (Dunn is already there), Collin turning into a legitimate starter or sixth man of the year candidate-type player, Brooks becoming slightly more than a three-and D type player, Williams turning into a legitimate starter (assuming health holds up), seeing if Green can be more consistent, and other random guys finding little roles (Goodwin, etc) is the best thing they can do, along with developing the rookies in the G-League. They can't draft, they can't trade for a real superstar without the picks, so just develop what you have. I maintain that Brooks in particular is as close to untouchable as anyone on this team. He is the heart of this team, and he is playing better this year. You do not trade the heart of your team unless you are getting a legitimate superstar.
 

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If Jalen Green can get healthy, he likely wins the Durant trade on his lonesome.
It's funny we trade for a guy who plays entire seasons and he gets hurt once he puts on a Suns uniform. OTH, Brooks has way over performed what I thought he could do. I just hope this is an anomoly for Green.
 

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It's funny we trade for a guy who plays entire seasons and he gets hurt once he puts on a Suns uniform. OTH, Brooks has way over performed what I thought he could do. I just hope this is an anomoly for Green.


I was watching some ESPN show this morning and they talked about the Suns having one of the most patient and cautious training staff. I'm not sure if it was from actual inside info or guessing based on how we've dealt with off injured players but I think there's something to that.
 

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I was watching some ESPN show this morning and they talked about the Suns having one of the most patient and cautious training staff. I'm not sure if it was from actual inside info or guessing based on how we've dealt with off injured players but I think there's something to that.
That's an interesting point. It would explain why we lose so much "player time" to sometimes what seem like relatively minor injuries.

I'm not sure whether that's good or bad, as it has definitely negatively impacted the team's overall regular season success in recent years, and the potential payoff - guys being at peak efficiency in the post season - hasn't really been there nor paid off.
 

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We were saying this.


While Anthony Davis, Paul George, Kevin Durant, Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert and Mikal Bridges were traded for significant future draft capital between 2019 and 2024, the subsequent Durant trade from the Phoenix Suns to the Houston Rockets in 2025 is more illustrative of the current climate in which he returned just one first round pick.

The reluctance of teams to trade multiple first round picks into the future is expected to impact the trade packages for Davis and potentially even Giannis Antetokounmpo.
 

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We were saying this.


While Anthony Davis, Paul George, Kevin Durant, Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert and Mikal Bridges were traded for significant future draft capital between 2019 and 2024, the subsequent Durant trade from the Phoenix Suns to the Houston Rockets in 2025 is more illustrative of the current climate in which he returned just one first round pick.

The reluctance of teams to trade multiple first round picks into the future is expected to impact the trade packages for Davis and potentially even Giannis Antetokounmpo.
we were lucky to get the 10th pick included
 
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