These second shot guys often end up better.
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o-line sucks i'll give you that but 5th string running back and we're pulling 400 yards per game against indy and green bay so idk
our defense is also talented imo - i don't know what's going on with rallis
id rank hc/coordinators as biggest concern
Yeah I was really talking about our new HC next year, will he be able to be successful with Monti lol
netsnjkidd
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Would Saleh be better on a 2nd coaching try
I think I’m done with hiring the “defensive” coach approach, it’s failed miserably now in back to back attempts with JG and Steve Wilks.
It’s an offensive league and you have to hire someone with real expertise on that side of the ball, like a Sean Payton or Shane Steichen.
kerouac9
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Like a BAD GM? I dunno.
A good coach can be successful with a mediocre GM. It’s hard to be actively bad at GM because so much of the role is just managing and implementing process. Guys usually get fired for bad luck or a handful of high-leverage decisions that don’t work out or because they got outmaneuvered by someone else in the org.
I don’t think Monti is bad, but someone in this org has to be good if the team is gonna be good, and you maximize your choices by cleaning out everyone.
How is Monti not bad?
kerouac9
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I mean the trains run on time and there’s a strategy in place. He doesn’t seem to be caught unawares all that often.
Monti isn’t below average on his hit rate on draft picks; many/most of these guys can play in the NFL. He has been unlucky on the guys who have gotten injured from these classes, and in FAs like Nichols, etc.
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Why do you do this?
Cut and paste from Keim threads lol
kerouac9
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Because it’s factual. What does a bad GM look like?
Check the winning percentage? Who they hire as HC?
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a bad GM probably looks like someone that most automatically assume would choke on a high QB pick in the next draft.
You know… like you did in another post in another thread like five minutes ago.
AustrianCardFan
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Honest question: if we decide to draft a QB would someone like Mike McCarthy really be such a terrible choice? I am really tired of that "find the new McVay" thing.
kerouac9
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I said that’s why they get fired, but our winning percentage isn’t what it is because Monti acquired a bunch of bad players. It’s what it is largely because of bad luck and injured players.
He can and likely will pay a price for that. But I don’t believe he’s a mess.
When the process leads to that result you probably make the choice of your process. Monti could be a perfectly cromulent and invisible GM for many teams in the NFL.
Unfortunately for us we need an above-average GM and Monti probably overestimated his ability to build a roster from the foundation instead of leaving the studs and here we are now.
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Another thing: good quality head coaches also have somewhat of a skill set around scouting. They don’t do it full time but can watch some film and see the type of player they like and how he fits their scheme. So inevitably hiring the right coach would make the GM look better regardless. Good coaches also get a more prominent voice in the war room as they stack wins.
We saw this play out with NFL GM of the Year Steve Keim when Arians was our coach. And then he quickly transformed into Bluto once BA “retired”
We saw this play out with NFL GM of the Year Steve Keim when Arians was our coach. And then he quickly transformed into Bluto once BA “retired”
Yeah in the past I thought going the retread route was just foolish, but he actually is a retread who did well in recent history.
I wouldn’t write his name off immediately.
You must be ready to chase Ryan Poles out of Chicago in that case
I really think you guys underestimate how tough it is to be a first time GM. You don’t just go down to Home Depot and buy a scouting staff. The best ones are under contract. The NFL frowns on raiding other teams. Then when you get their evaluations that’s not the same thing as the draft room. You have to decide who you want in there and who do you trust. You get guys, several of whom have to be developed. Then there’s the coaches. They are constantly lobbying for their guys. Think Kingsbury and Murray. Who knows if that was Ossenfort’s choice or Bidwill’s commitment. I don’t even know Bidwill’s involvement. Did someone he trusted tell Bidwill he should grab Kingsbury? I’ve never been involved at those levels of decision making, but I’ve been in position to get first hand reports. You can never fully understand the points of influence. They’re different on every team. For example, I think extending Murray was an emotional decision because they feared losing him. Who was the one who was scared? Did Keim influence Bidwill or vice versa? The Cards have changed GMs like I change shirts. I believe you get a smart one and give him time to grow. You can’t jump on every mistake. If you fire that way, who would come into that environment?
kerouac9
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Quick: do some quick research and find out how many GMs the Cards have had since Michael Jordan retired.
The answer may surprise you.
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This might not be popular, but I'd back the Brinks truck up if there was even the possibility of Bowles being available. Dude can still flat out coach and call a defense.
He knows AZ, knows Bidwill and that BS. He just needs to have someone he can trust with the offense.
He knows AZ, knows Bidwill and that BS. He just needs to have someone he can trust with the offense.
I know Keim and Graves were around a long time. Still I think Bidwill, senior & junior, made most of the big decisions. Graves was a GM in name only. When Dollar Bill ran things he wouldn’t pay for free agents, trade for expensive players or even draft big time prospects. If they did draft them in the AFL days, they didn’t sign them, remember Joe Namath. Technically you’re correct, but Keim and Ossenfort were the most real GMs.
kerouac9
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Keim was hired/promoted in 2013 and served for 10 years. How, exactly, is this changing GMs like you “change shirts?”
We'd have to trade for him, probably a 1st round pick.
